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Old 01-01-2017, 14:48
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So it's fine to get charged through the nose while in the EU cos it happens elsewhere? Brexiter logic.
I just got back from Austria, where I used a bolt on for unlimited data, 200 mins, 200 text for £1.66 per day that is only charged on days I used it.
I'd hardly call that getting charged through the nose.
Most days I got by without even using it as there's wifi everywhere.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:51
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Yet more fuel added to the fire that is "Brexiters are backwards and want to drag everyone backwards with them".



This is a rubbish solution though - and you've forgotten all the other reasons why a person might want to use a phone, as a phone.

Are you seriously saying young people can't use the same methods every other generation who travelled to Europe well and happily over centuries did? And ignoring the fact they are extremely lucky to be able to travel so easily. Even flying didn't get cheap enough to use until relatively recently, and a few years ago mobiles didn"t exist so couldn't be used. Somehow us thickies managed to travel from one end of Europe to the other, using boats, buses and trains, paper maps and paying whatever local taxes applied. You do nothing to disprove the theory that some younger people are unable to function without their precious smartphones, which is not a compliment to them.
And if you want to use a phone, pay the relevant charges like you do everywhere else in the world. It's not exactly rocket science.

This is part of a developing post referendum theme.

The failure by those who voted to leave to accept responsibility for their actions.
Or the failure of those who voted remain to accept that in a democracy you have to accept the result and who come across as whiny and arrogant.

Old inflicting on young backward thinking is going to cause longer term issues for UK. It has always been the young who have led country with new forward thinking. The young won't stand by and see their future taken from them.
Perhaps they could grow up enough to realise how easy they have it compared to most generations before them if the only problem they have to moan about is roaming charges.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:57
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Or the failure of those who voted remain to accept that in a democracy you have to accept the result and who come across as whiny and arrogant.
I voted to remain and accept the result.
Those who voted to leave accept the responsibility.

As a remainer, I have the option of being whiny and arrogant
For those who voted to leave, this option is not available. Process and plans are leave supporters' priority.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:59
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[quote=Talma;85018310


Perhaps they could grow up enough to realise how easy they have it compared to most generations before them if the only problem they have to moan about is roaming charges.[/QUOTE]

That is the sum of it I can recall spreading butter thickly on my slice of bread and rolling my eyes when my parents said that during rationing that would have been all the butter allowed for a week. It was an observation as opposed to a telling off. I now realise exactly what they meant.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:06
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Hang on a minute - I travel to Spain and Cyprus on holidays and I'm as hard-Brexit as they come. I don't hate the countries, just the political union. There are more important things about it than your mobile phone bill.

If my roaming costs start to rise, I'll leave my phone switched off when I'm there. Simple
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Once again I'll ask - what currently happens when you roam in the USA for example? India? Australia?
Clearly that's absolutely fine. But - there's always a but - wherever you go now the chances are you will require e-ticketing. Go for more than a week and you have to print off your Ryanair ticket abroad. Now if it comes to downloading your ticket to your phone - to show at the gate, how much will that cost?

Just one example; but we're increasing the use of our phones way beyond just chat + text, and many will be caught out. The telecoms industy will have us by the proverbials, a monopoly on the way we do things!

Of course another answer is to buy a phone and card over there (as you would with your examples, USA/India/Australia) to keep bills down. But that's a bother, somethign we didn't have to worry about pre-Brexit.

But there's always the joy of seeing a Brexiter's face when they do travel abroad (one will, at some stage) and accidentally leave their roaming switch on. But, never mind, the £500 bill is worth it as you've got control...
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:06
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If the young couldn't be bothered to get off their backside and vote on June 23rd, I don't see them doing much about it now.
When a democracy can be controlled via votes by the unproductive then you have to expect the productive to react. Under 45's the key demographic for a countries future are outnumbered.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:11
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Clearly that's absolutely fine. But - there's always a but - wherever you go now the chances are you will require e-ticketing. Go for more than a week and you have to print off your Ryanair ticket abroad. Now if it comes to downloading your ticket to your phone - to show at the gate, how much will that cost?

Just one example; but we're increasing the use of our phones way beyond just chat + text, and many will be caught out. The telecoms industy will have us by the proverbials, a monopoly on the way we do things!

Of course another answer is to buy a phone and card over there (as you would with your examples, USA/India/Australia) to keep bills down. But that's a bother, somethign we didn't have to worry about pre-Brexit.

But there's always the joy of seeing a Brexiter's face when they do travel abroad (one will, at some stage) and accidentally leave their roaming switch on. But, never mind, the £500 bill is worth it as you've got control...
All networks have a data cap when abroad now so that example won't happen. Nevertheless WiFi is prevalent in most places these days so you could always VOIP etc if you wanted to - besides this who's to say the roaming costs would go up anyway? Depends on the agreement.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:22
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Clearly that's absolutely fine. But - there's always a but - wherever you go now the chances are you will require e-ticketing. Go for more than a week and you have to print off your Ryanair ticket abroad. Now if it comes to downloading your ticket to your phone - to show at the gate, how much will that cost?

Just one example; but we're increasing the use of our phones way beyond just chat + text, and many will be caught out. The telecoms industy will have us by the proverbials, a monopoly on the way we do things!

Of course another answer is to buy a phone and card over there (as you would with your examples, USA/India/Australia) to keep bills down. But that's a bother, somethign we didn't have to worry about pre-Brexit.

But there's always the joy of seeing a Brexiter's face when they do travel abroad (one will, at some stage) and accidentally leave their roaming switch on. But, never mind, the £500 bill is worth it as you've got control...
I travel with Ryanair all the time. It's now 30 days for a booked seat. If, like this summer I stay longer than 30days, I just go somewhere with WiFi to download my e-ticket.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:25
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:58
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...and a few years ago mobiles didn"t exist so couldn't be used. Somehow us thickies...
Mobile phones have existed for more than a few years, more like a few decades.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:00
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This has nothing to do with Brexit. And everything to do with (foreign owned) phone companies looking to rip the British phone user off!
Perhaps we should set up some kind of regulatory body which prevents phone companies ripping off British consumers, we could call it the European Union or something.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:05
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Perhaps we should set up some kind of regulatory body which prevents phone companies ripping off British consumers, we could call it the European Union or something.
Good idea - as long as we don't have to have political union with them, obey their rules on immigration, or have our courts subject to their court, that's fine. Otherwise, it's just not worth cheaper phone calls, is it?
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:08
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If EU carriers lose their income for roaming charges then they might try to make up for it by raising their prices for domestic customers meaning everyone pays a bit more even if they don't use their phone abroad.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:16
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It's not crap. It's always worked well for me when I've been abroad. Give it a go, you'll be surprised how easy it is.

Why would you need a separate sim for every EU country, if the GSM mobile standard is so good across the EU?
As discussed many posts ago, problems with changing the SIM include having to unlock your phone (if not unlocked), providing everyone with your number, expecting them to pay international call/SMS rates, and of course repeating the process for every country you visit.

I wonder if you really don't know the answer to your question, but here's the answer just in case you weren't keeping up: because the mobile operators charge rip-off roaming rates.

Stuck in the 1950's? Says the person who is incapable of changing a sim card?
I have a pile of SIMs on my desk and a dual SIM phone, thanks. I'm capable of it. i'm just telling you why it's a poor idea, and why the EU is trying to pursue lower roaming costs.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:18
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Good idea - as long as we don't have to have political union with them,
We don't (or didn't have to). We were given an opt out from that.


obey their rules on immigration
The rules that the average tabloid reader has no clue about? The ones that state that the UK is free to turf EU immigrants out when they aren't in work and do not have the means to support themselves?

Given that we can't cope with illegal immigration from non-EU states (and by cope, I mean finding and deporting them), then perhaps we should look here at home for the cause of the problem. But that would be far too difficult for the average Brexiter to accept - far easier to blame someone else.

or have our courts subject to their court
The courts that we voluntarily agreed to adhere to.

We'll still be indirectly subject to them whether you like it or not. All the things that you buy and consume will be built or designed to EU regulations, not UK ones.

I do hope that you know that the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU...
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:21
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But there's always the joy of seeing a Brexiter's face when they do travel abroad (one will, at some stage) and accidentally leave their roaming switch on. But, never mind, the £500 bill is worth it as you've got control...
Can't wait for a Brexiter to tell me how wonderful it is that he/she now has to arrange to get a visa every time they want to visit "Europe", get a SIM card, get one of those lovely A-Z maps that the old farts keep telling us to use instead of Google Maps, etc.

They'll probably want to blame "rip off Britain" for their high roaming bill. Or the EU for some reason. Not themselves.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:22
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If EU carriers lose their income for roaming charges then they might try to make up for it by raising their prices for domestic customers meaning everyone pays a bit more even if they don't use their phone abroad.
Already are. Same as when banks were capped at £12 for late payment fees, they simply recouped the revenue in other ways. Much the same as supermarkets that offer something cheap.. yet add a few pence here and there onto other things to make up for it.

Some people are too thick to see how that works mind you.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:23
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As discussed many posts ago, problems with changing the SIM include having to unlock your phone (if not unlocked), providing everyone with your number, expecting them to pay international call/SMS rates, and of course repeating the process for every country you visit.

I wonder if you really don't know the answer to your question, but here's the answer just in case you weren't keeping up: because the mobile operators charge rip-off roaming rates.



I have a pile of SIMs on my desk and a dual SIM phone, thanks. I'm capable of it. i'm just telling you why it's a poor idea, and why the EU is trying to pursue lower roaming costs.
Why would you need to repeat the process for every EU country? A simple text or WhatsApp message could provide those who need your number. You're making something so easy, seem like a difficult chore that'd take hours.

A dual sim phone would be ideal for those who travel abroad regularly, good suggestion. Companies such as ee do international payg sims at very good rates.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:30
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We don't (or didn't have to). We were given an opt out from that.




The rules that the average tabloid reader has no clue about? The ones that state that the UK is free to turf EU immigrants out when they aren't in work and do not have the means to support themselves?

Given that we can't cope with illegal immigration from non-EU states (and by cope, I mean finding and deporting them), then perhaps we should look here at home for the cause of the problem. But that would be far too difficult for the average Brexiter to accept - far easier to blame someone else.



The courts that we voluntarily agreed to adhere to.

We'll still be indirectly subject to them whether you like it or not. All the things that you buy and consume will be built or designed to EU regulations, not UK ones.

I do hope that you know that the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU...
"We" have now voluntarily decided we don't want to be part of any of it, anyway, so it's all irrelevant.

You do know there is a European Court of Justice, don't you?
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:38
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Can't wait for a Brexiter to tell me how wonderful it is that he/she now has to arrange to get a visa every time they want to visit "Europe", get a SIM card, get one of those lovely A-Z maps that the old farts keep telling us to use instead of Google Maps, etc.

They'll probably want to blame "rip off Britain" for their high roaming bill. Or the EU for some reason. Not themselves.
The proposed visa I read about was valid for 5 years, so not quite "every time"
You can get maps for free on your phone , but if you really think you need to use your phone in between the multiple free wifi spots across the EU then i guess you could suffer the £1.66 or so for a bolt on.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:40
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"We" have now voluntarily decided we don't want to be part of any of it, anyway, so it's all irrelevant.
Aside from the fact that the referendum was totally advisory, the result, flawed as it is, does not advise the government on anything other than leaving the EU.

That means it did not cover the single market, freedom of movement, and all the rest of it. Brexiters can't claim that their opinion is valid in terms of our future involvement here.

You do know there is a European Court of Justice, don't you?
Yes I did, but thanks for pointing it out.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:41
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The proposed visa I read about was valid for 5 years, so not quite "every time"
You can get maps for free on your phone , but if you really think you need to use your phone in between the multiple free wifi spots across the EU then i guess you could suffer the £1.66 or so for a bolt on.
Why should I pay extra for something I already have? Even £2 a day adds up very quickly. My contract is only £15 a month - one week in "Europe" and my bill has doubled.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:45
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Why should I pay extra for something I already have? Even £2 a day adds up very quickly. My contract is only £15 a month - one week in "Europe" and my bill has doubled.
It's chump change ya tight wad.

Besides it's not something you already have.
Your contract doesnt extend to other companies infrastructure.
Their customers don't want you clogging up their network without paying
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:05
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Genuine question (to which I don't know the answer)

Do these increased charges already apply in non-EU countries such as Switzerland?
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:06
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It's chump change ya tight wad.

Besides it's not something you already have.
Your contract doesnt extend to other companies infrastructure.
Their customers don't want you clogging up their network without paying
I'm going to have no-cost EU roaming from the date it comes in to the date we actually leave the EU. So yes, it will be something I already have.

My network operator already pays the foreign one a fair, profitable rate for my usage. The problem is that my network operator then turns around and charges me an order of magnitude more as a retail cost.

The EU is simply trying to reduce that. It's not "freeloading" or "clogging up the network". Especially when it comes to data, where even people on unlimited data in the UK will have only a limited amount of data while roaming.
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