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What we have here is a classic example of the "can't / won't cope with change" sector. It doesn't matter how many solutions you supply, how cheap or easy any are, it's simply "I want". Why be pragmatic or find answers when being stuck in whining mode is the default comfort blanket?
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What we have here is a classic example of the "can't / won't cope with change" sector. It doesn't matter how many solutions you supply, how cheap or easy any are, it's simply "I want". Why be pragmatic or find answers when being stuck in whining mode is the default comfort blanket?
There is no reason why roaming charges need to be as high as they are. They are being lowered. We shouldn't cheer because they'll likely go back up again, as a result of an utterly moronic decision. All I'm seeing is that Brexiters are determined to drag the country into the past, like modern day luddites |
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What we have here is a classic example of the "can't / won't cope with change" sector. It doesn't matter how many solutions you supply, how cheap or easy any are, it's simply "I want". Why be pragmatic or find answers when being stuck in whining mode is the default comfort blanket?
The solutions really are that simple, no matter how difficult they are making them out to be. |
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I'm going to have no-cost EU roaming from the date it comes in to the date we actually leave the EU. So yes, it will be something I already have.
My network operator already pays the foreign one a fair, profitable rate for my usage. The problem is that my network operator then turns around and charges me an order of magnitude more as a retail cost. The EU is simply trying to reduce that. It's not "freeloading" or "clogging up the network". Especially when it comes to data, where even people on unlimited data in the UK will have only a limited amount of data while roaming. Market forces will determine price, with more carriers and a wider availability of free wifi prices will come down |
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Because what Brexiters are proposing isn't pragmatism. It's regression.
There is no reason why roaming charges need to be as high as they are. They are being lowered. We shouldn't cheer because they'll likely go back up again, as a result of an utterly moronic decision. All I'm seeing is that Brexiters are determined to drag the country into the past, like modern day luddites |
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Are we going to be banned from using free wifi in Europe too? Or might this negate a large percentage of the problem?
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Because what Brexiters are proposing isn't pragmatism. It's regression.
There is no reason why roaming charges need to be as high as they are. They are being lowered. We shouldn't cheer because they'll likely go back up again, as a result of an utterly moronic decision. All I'm seeing is that Brexiters are determined to drag the country into the past, like modern day luddites As for Luddites, it's a mistake to think their dispute was simply opposition to 'modern' technology. It was much more to do with bosses being able to hike their profits by bringing in cheap, less skilled labour and the equivalent of zero hours contracts in that era. |
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Aside from the fact that the referendum was totally advisory, the result, flawed as it is, does not advise the government on anything other than leaving the EU.
That means it did not cover the single market, freedom of movement, and all the rest of it. Brexiters can't claim that their opinion is valid in terms of our future involvement here. Yes I did, but thanks for pointing it out. (I thought you seemed confused about the ECHR and the ECJ - I'm glad you know there's a difference). Quote:
Looking at the global world, rather than looking to other mainly white European nations isn't regression. Too many remainers just wish to keep Britain white, giving preferential treatment to the primarily white immigrants from Europe, over the diverse populations from the rest of the world.
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Because what Brexiters are proposing isn't pragmatism. It's regression.
There is no reason why roaming charges need to be as high as they are. They are being lowered. We shouldn't cheer because they'll likely go back up again, as a result of an utterly moronic decision. All I'm seeing is that Brexiters are determined to drag the country into the past, like modern day luddites
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Just to clarify, was this issue primarily a problem because of UK operators ripping off UK people going abroad, or were non-UK operators doing it to their customers coming over here (or the UK operators overcharging them)?
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Aside from the fact that the referendum was totally advisory, the result, flawed as it is, does not advise the government on anything other than leaving the EU.
That means it did not cover the single market, freedom of movement, and all the rest of it. Brexiters can't claim that their opinion is valid in terms of our future involvement here. Yes I did, but thanks for pointing it out. The referendum was to leave the EU. That is a clear mandate. Leaving the EU is to cease being party to the treatise on European Union. That includes free movement and the single market. If the UK government negotiates a new agreement with the EU that is something which it has no clear electoral mandate by way of election manifesto or referendum. |
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The Conservative 2015 manifesto stated they would abide by the referendum result. That continuing EU membership was reliant on remain winning the referendum. If Conservative MPs fail to adhere to that then they brake a pledge on which they were elected..
There are also more practical matters to consider - such as the 48.x% who voted to remain, and who will expect their views to be heard and included in any agreement too. That does not mean that the government can ignore them and so for a so called "hard brexit". Quote:
The referendum was to leave the EU. That is a clear mandate. Leaving the EU is to cease being party to the treatise on European Union. That includes free movement and the single market.
If the UK government negotiates a new agreement with the EU that is something which it has no clear electoral mandate by way of election manifesto or referendum. |
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Love how everyone believes these stories.
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George Osborne foretold this Armageddon. But did we listen?
![]() ![]() p.s. Vodafone do free roaming around the world for £5 a day so I'm sure Europe would be no more expensive no matter what happens. |
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George Osborne foretold this Armageddon. But did we listen?
![]() ![]() p.s. Vodafone do free roaming around the world for £5 a day so I'm sure Europe would be no more expensive no matter what happens. |
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It would also be a total disgrace post Brexit if customer service calls to premium rate 0842, 0843, 0844, 0845, 0870 and 0871 numbers make a comeback, plus calls made to 0800 and 0808 from a mobile phone become chargeable and at premium rate again as well.
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It would also be a total disgrace post Brexit if customer service calls to premium rate 0842, 0843, 0844, 0845, 0870 and 0871 numbers make a comeback, plus calls made to 0800 and 0808 from a mobile phone become chargeable and at premium rate again as well.
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Remoaner is a description, not an insult. It describes those who voted remain and have moaned relentlessly about the referendum result. Remainer + Moaner = Remoaner. If you do both those things you are by definition a Remoaner.
If I call you deluded or stuck in the 1950s please feel free to call me insulting. |
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You think the phone companies won't jump at the chance to profiteer the second the EU regs no longer apply?
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Though businesses don't care about consumers and "rights", they'll do whatever they can to screw us over and make money. And that can only be helped with a pro-big business Tory party in power pulling us out the EU.
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It would also be a total disgrace post Brexit if customer service calls to premium rate 0842, 0843, 0844, 0845, 0870 and 0871 numbers make a comeback, plus calls made to 0800 and 0808 from a mobile phone become chargeable and at premium rate again as well.
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You think the phone companies won't jump at the chance to profiteer the second the EU regs no longer apply?
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...from-wednesday |
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Given that the changes were implemented by Ofcom (under a Tory government) then I don't know what these hysterical posts are all about...
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...from-wednesday Most notably, they reversed a change in regulations on the most rip off, and most deceiving numbers of all - the 070xx range. They look like mobile numbers, but they're not, and they can cost up to 50p/min and are not inclusive in any minutes you might have. Ofcom wanted an announcement to tell you how expensive they were. They gave up after "big number" lobbied them to stop it. It's not Brexit related, but it might still happen. |
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Most notably, they reversed a change in regulations on the most rip off, and most deceiving numbers of all - the 070xx range. They look like mobile numbers, but they're not, and they can cost up to 50p/min ...
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070 numbers can cost between 4p and £3.40 per minute if calling from a landline (and often include a call set-up fee, sometimes of up to 51p). From a mobile phone these numbers can cost between 30p and £2.50 per minute.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-tele...ll-really-coste2a: Though it makes for an easy honesty test - if someone has one and sets it to minimum cost that's OK but if someone gives you their number without telling you it's expensive, then you know how polite to be the next time. |
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The worst example was those hospital bedside phone systems. They used 070 numbers for people to ring through to patients, and those were 50p/min |
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As a remaining snowflake really looking forward to 2017, a year of told you so and yet again having to visibly show 51.9% of people what is really meant by the grass is greener. Happy New YearrrrrrrrrrArghhhhhhh......
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