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Old 01-01-2017, 13:04
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I keep hearing about how miniscule the odds are in dying in a terrorist incident, yet it's the 1st January and already 39 people are lying dead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38481521

Do any of the forum terror statisticians want to make a prediction . Here and now on New Year's Day. As to how many people will lose their lives to terrorism this year?

F**k "perspective".
Well as a running average, the numbers killed by terrorism *are* small, relatively speaking. Taking the beginning of the year as some arbitrary point to reset the average is a statistical non-sequitur.
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:09
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Well as a running average, the numbers killed by terrorism *are* small, relatively speaking. Taking the beginning of the year as some arbitrary point to reset the average is a statistical non-sequitur.
How many lives lost do you require before it becomes statistically significant? What is the arbitrarily applied "minimum acceptable percentage".?
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:15
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So do these people do this to attack ways of life, or is it vengeance for their lost family members in bombings the West have committed?


What's wrong with showing some perspective? More than 20,000 people are murdered across Europe, on average, each year.
Is that accurate?
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Old 01-01-2017, 13:43
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How many lives lost do you require before it becomes statistically significant? What is the arbitrarily applied "minimum acceptable percentage".?
Is there any need for the immediate jump down the throat response to a very reasonable post? Suggesting that someone finds terrorist associated deaths acceptable is very unfair and there is absolutely no need.

How many people do yo think attended NYE celebrations around the world at outdoor events in all of the major cities and then in restaurants and nightclubs?

As horrific as the events in Istanbul were, 39 deaths compared to the many millions of people who were out celebrating does represent a very small risk. It doesn't make it right or acceptable, but it is still a small risk.

You were the one who made the mathematically illogical statement that because 39 people had died in Istanbul yesterday evening this meant that the suggestion that the odds of dying in a terrorist attack were miniscule was not true. People have simply responded to that flawed logic.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:32
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Agree with that ^

what we should be doing is "staying vigilant" as the authorities keep telling us. That's the main message we should all be promoting. You can be calm/not fearful yet vigilant at the same time.

Just today, Minister of State for Security issued the warning again, that ISIS is plotting a chemical attack on Britain based on their statements and try-outs in Syria.

I've no idea whether British suppliers/household outlets of chemicals have already been briefed with warnings on suspicious sales thefts of component ingredients for etc. but we've seen convictions of British residents who were trying out explosives, drone deliveries etc already over here.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:36
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Terrible loss of life for nothing. How do you deal with people who don't value their own or anyone else's life and seek to murder and maim as many as they can?
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:37
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Coming to a town near you soon...
Thanks to our open borders and the' let everyone in' immigration policy.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:47
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Sadly, this doesn't mean a lot to western European countries or America, given the location. And will be largely forgotten in a few days.
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Old 01-01-2017, 18:04
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Sadly, this doesn't mean a lot to western European countries or America, given the location. And will be largely forgotten in a few days.
Disagree. It's the main story on both the DM and Guardian, with photos of some of the young victims. It's clear this is a club popular with celebs, footballers and people of all faiths and none, who like to mix and have fun.
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Old 01-01-2017, 19:10
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It's difficult to understand what Turkey is up to. Erdogan has said that he wants to see “the growth of a religious generation”, which would replace long-standing secular domination in Turkey. His foreign policy since the Arab Spring in 2011 has been to support the largely Sunni Arab uprising in Syria in alliance with Saudi Arabia. This strategy included tolerance for extreme Islamist jihadi movements such as Isis, Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, enabling them to establish networks of support inside Turkey.
Now they're joining in talks with Russia, Iran and Assad in Syria to work out a peace deal that excludes the extremists. When it comes to terrorist attacks, it must be difficult to know for certain which group is involved. As a nation, they seem confused about which side they're on from one week to the next ?
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Old 01-01-2017, 19:35
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The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) published the Global Study on Homicide 2013, which is used on Wikipedia's list of countries by intentional homicide rate. There are other sources too.

Bear in mind that what that is saying is that you are highly unlikely to be murdered at random. And, as others have posted, you're more likely to win the lottery than be killed by terrorists. Eating sugary foods is probably a more pressing danger for most people. Seriously.

To those who say "f*ck perspective", each to their own I guess, but I certainly won't be terrorized by such tiny numbers and I won't be changing my lifestyle one iota to accommodate these murderers.
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Old 01-01-2017, 19:46
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Why call it Saudi Arabia?

The correct term should be ISIS Arabia - they are the filth of the earth and every time that a Western democratic leader does abase themselves before the Dark age, misogynistic, homophobic scum it proves our leaders have no moral compass.

At all.



I agree entirely. It's akin to being great pals with Hitler way back when.

RIP those poor innocents who have died and warmest wishes to their relatives and friends, including the injured.
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:14
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I agree entirely. It's akin to being great pals with Hitler way back when.

RIP those poor innocents who have died and warmest wishes to their relatives and friends, including the injured.
Yes.

Remember when our flag was flown at half mast for the death of some random Saudi?

Disgusting.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:45
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"IS says it was behind killing of 39" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38487509

" So-called Islamic State says it was behind the New Year attack on a Turkish nightclub that killed 39 people.

The group said in a statement it was carried out by "a heroic soldier". "



"Heroic soldier" ? - cowardly murdering bastard more like.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:04
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Coming to a town near you soon...
Thanks to our open borders and the' let everyone in' immigration policy.
Exactly. The latest attempt at an organised violent border raid by these "desperate vulnerable" people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38486584
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:13
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The Guardian says that the attacker was dressed entirely in black so guess the santa costume detail was a false rumour. Telegraph story:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...says-no-truth/
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:39
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Thing is, while it IS true that you're far more likely to die in a car accident than through terrorism, if you found out there were people out there deliberately orchestrating fatal car accidents it would certainly be a cause for concern and you'd definitely want something done about it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:43
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This is getting beyond a joke now. How much more of this are we supposed to take?
Well the US won't do anything with theirs so hopefully other countries will.
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:51
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Thing is, while it IS true that you're far more likely to die in a car accident than through terrorism, if you found out there were people out there deliberately orchestrating fatal car accidents it would certainly be a cause for concern and you'd definitely want something done about it.
Something certainly needs to be done about terrorism, and indeed there is plenty being done by the authorities the world over. For your average Joe though there is nothing you can do, and very little point in worrying about it.

And before somebody chips in with "Tell that to the families of the deceased! ", I'm not addressing them, I'm talking to people on DS. I'm suggesting that we retain a sense of perspective. You'd have to be some sort of buffoon to tell the families of the deceased to get some perspective.
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:15
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For your average Joe though there is nothing you can do, and very little point in worrying about it.
Ain't a whole lot I can do about people eating sugary food either.
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:28
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Ain't a whole lot I can do about people eating sugary food either.
You can certainly avoid them yourself though. They present a greater danger to you personally than terrorists do and you can do something about it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:08
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You can certainly avoid them yourself though. They present a greater danger to you personally than terrorists do and you can do something about it.
BIB- that's the key difference.

I mean, I'm not gonna go changing my life because of terrorism- that's giving the f***ers what they want. But random death is very different from something you can go out of your way to avoid.
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