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Old 02-01-2017, 10:34
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Martin Parr my backside!

Anyone can point a camera at at group of people doing an activity !
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:42
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This bloke thinks they are good-

https://twitter.com/justinbairamian/...48667109244929

But then he is from a department called 'BBC creative'
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:45
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Something just not right about people seemingly enjoying themselves introducing the news and the terrible events in Turkey etc - has it sow n hashtag now #onemess
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:07
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It's also ironic that for years mainstream broadcasters have been accused of 'dumbing down'. As soon as they put something challenging in front of their audience, out comes the response: "I don't like it!!!"
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:21
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IMO the Martin Parr idents would have been more suitable for BBC Four, as many of the viewers would understand that it's video art...
"Video art" you say? I'm thinking Emperor's New Clothes.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:22
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It's also ironic that for years mainstream broadcasters have been accused of 'dumbing down'. As soon as they put something challenging in front of their audience, out comes the response: "I don't like it!!!"
"Challenging" does not have to be cheap-looking, amateurish, plain, obscure and uninspiring (to name but a few).
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:25
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It's also ironic that for years mainstream broadcasters have been accused of 'dumbing down'. As soon as they put something challenging in front of their audience, out comes the response: "I don't like it!!!"
I'd describe the Channel 4 idents as 'challenging'. They're obscure, surreal, but ultimately well produced (and I say that as someone who doesn't particularly like them). These new BBC idents on the other hand are simply cheap and tacky looking.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:29
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Art or not, I can't see how these are going to provide an identity for the channel itself - which is presumably the intended purpose of them.

An exercise class including all the noise in the sports hall, with the BBC One logo appearing on top of it means.... what?
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:31
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Oh, so everyone loves the old ones now?

I thought this was a thread from four years ago at first.

A lot of complaining, but very few nuggets of creative genius suggesting alternatives.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:38
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It's also ironic that for years mainstream broadcasters have been accused of 'dumbing down'. As soon as they put something challenging in front of their audience, out comes the response: "I don't like it!!!"
Challenging? Challenging?

What is challenging about Maxine at her village hall Zumba class and half naked Brian going for a swim with "BBC Oneness" slapped over it?

Channel 4's idents are challenging. These are dumbed down to the lowest level.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:41
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38487936
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:42
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"Video art" you say? I'm thinking Emperor's New Clothes.
A lot of 'New British Artists' (they're getting old now) modern art work could be described as this, to be fair. If you don't understand the context of his work, it will just look rather sh*te.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:43
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Oh, so everyone loves the old ones now?

I thought this was a thread from four years ago at first.

A lot of complaining, but very few nuggets of creative genius suggesting alternatives.
An updated globe created by different silhouetted things coming together, e.g. butterflies and insects, sports objects, food. Think the Disney Channel in 1995.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:44
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A lot of complaining, but very few nuggets of creative genius suggesting alternatives.
Because the most obvious answer has been covered.

Keep the old idents until the BBC has the cash to replace it with something decent, not something that cost £5 and looks like it
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:48
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Challenging? Challenging?

What is challenging about Maxine at her village hall Zumba class and half naked Brian going for a swim with "BBC Oneness" slapped over it?
It's us folks. We don't like looking at ourselves, especially in an unflattering light. But once you decide to accept it, you appreciate it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:52
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Viewers shouldn't need to be art lovers or critics in order to "understand" a simple station ident. In fact, many people are likely to be turned off by something that appears to them as art snobbery, or by people who attempt to belittle them for not "understanding the concept"
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:58
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Viewers shouldn't need to be art lovers or critics in order to "understand" a simple station ident. In fact, many people are likely to be turned off by something that appears to them as art snobbery, or by people who attempt to belittle them for not "understanding the concept"
I argued in an earlier post, that these idents would have been better suited to BBC Four. I still think it's a good thing that the masses get to see some art instead of the usual CGI hippos.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:09
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Why do we still need continuity announcers and idents before the start of programmes anyway? Most other countries manage to survive without them.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:09
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I still think it's a good thing that the masses get to see some art instead of the usual CGI hippos.
Sorry, but that is an elitist viewpoint really. Especially if the majority of people will look at them blankly and say to themselves "WTF?".

For the record, I don't even see anything about them as "art". But then again, I don't see a blank, white canvas hung on a blank, white wall as art either. And maybe I'm not in the minority there.

If an ident is to work as an ident, it must say something relevant and immediate. these do neither. And you should not need to be an art student or art connoisseur to "understand the concept". If you do, then the ident has failed.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:18
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A lot of 'New British Artists' (they're getting old now) modern art work could be described as this, to be fair. If you don't understand the context of his work, it will just look rather sh*te.
The emperor's new clothes.

FWIW I 'get it' Ordinary people doing ordinary activities together.

Now, you can either execute that idea really well, or really badly.

Just because this person has some sort of reputation for past work doesn't alter the fact this is crap.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:30
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Sorry, but that is an elitist viewpoint really. Especially if the majority of people will look at them blankly and say to themselves "WTF?".

For the record, I don't even see anything about them as "art". But then again, I don't see a blank, white canvas hung on a blank, white wall as art either. And maybe I'm not in the minority there.

If an ident is to work as an ident, it must say something relevant and immediate. these do neither. And you should not need to be an art student or art connoisseur to "understand the concept". If you do, then the ident has failed.
It's challenging. Should Martin Lambie-Nairn have been asked to re-imagine the mechanical BBC 1 globe and mirror ident for today instead of this? I think so.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:31
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This latest embarrassing waste of licence payers money by the BBC has upset many people; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-today.html
looking at these pictures in more detail ,it gives the impression of a more modernised R & D logo of the early 2000s with a mix of itv owned theme without the misted out affect ,but have noticed the small bbc & big ONE wording is still there .
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:33
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I still think it's a good thing that the masses get to see some art instead of the usual CGI hippos.
Hahaha. Patronise much? I suppose I should get back to my potato printing.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:51
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An updated globe created by different silhouetted things coming together, e.g. butterflies and insects, sports objects, food. Think the Disney Channel in 1995.
Because the most obvious answer has been covered.

Keep the old idents until the BBC has the cash to replace it with something decent, not something that cost £5 and looks like it
The fact is, no matter what they did, some people wouldn't like it.

Because there is nothing that everyone likes. Not even the idea of an updated globe created by silhouetted things coming together.

If they had done that, then there would be a thread complaining about that too.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:54
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The fact is, no matter what they did, some people wouldn't like it.

Because there is nothing that everyone likes. Not even the idea of an updated globe created by silhouetted things coming together.

If they had done that, then there would be a thread complaining about that too.
Maybe, but I guarantee you it would've been full of a lot more positive comments.
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