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Old 01-01-2017, 16:21
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Singing songs no one has heard of. (Well I haven't heard of anyway)

How did he get this album promotion? Not very good lead in to the fireworks.
I've no idea why he gets as much attention as he still does. His ship sailed past a long time ago.
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:35
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I've no idea why he gets as much attention as he still does. His ship sailed past a long time ago.
I'm guessing the viewing figures will be quite good for this. The single has risen significantly in iTunes today to number 4.
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:37
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Singing songs no one has heard of. (Well I haven't heard of anyway)

How did he get this album promotion? Not very good lead in to the fireworks.
They should have chosen a more better singer.
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Old 01-01-2017, 18:04
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I thought he was quite good. I'll get me coat.
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Old 01-01-2017, 18:33
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this.......it just summed up my feelings about the whole thing.
I was stunned robbles, Prince (i like him too) got quite a few lines in at the start, so i sat and waited for the Bowie tribute, you know, who was actually born in Brixton, literally just round the corner from where the main event was happening? I heard the word FAME during another song, so i said...here comes Bowie....erm, ...then...nothing. Absolute disgrace.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:48
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The arty farty camera work for the fireworks was abysmal!
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:08
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Apart from that song about Russians which I actually quite like, I thought he was pretty turgid. Not within lunar miles of Bryan Adams from last year, who was obviously world class as he always is.

As for the hand wash thing, while I can understand the action itself, he could have at least tried to hide that along with the disgusted look on his face... considering it was him who chose to shake people's hands.
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:11
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I've no idea why he gets as much attention as he still does. His ship sailed past a long time ago.
Presumably Gary Barlow was busy.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:12
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So much jealousy, it's laughable. Robbie's one of our last remaining proper pop stars and we should cherish him. Great songs, charismatic performance...the ideal way to see off the year and welcome the new one, a genuine pop party.
One of our last remaining proper pop stars? Pray tell us who are these other cherished pop stars that come under this category. The last great British pop singers in my opinion are unfortunately dead now - Amy Winehouse and George Michael - and I wouldn't put RW in their class even on their worst day. I'd also add Adele but think she's in a category all her own now.

He's certainly no natural songwriter. Of the 283 songs he's recorded as a solo artist he has only written 3 on his own. Of course there are many great performers who had the bulk of their songs written for them. However, they often had a great voice to boot. If not then they could certainly write for themselves.

But RW is no greater singer either. I grant you he's better than your entry level X Factor contestant. But his vocal range is pretty poor for someone who has been singing for so long.

So I can only gather that with a lot of luck, cheeky chappy personality, a few timely hit songs (with Guy Chambers) and a loyal following from his TT days a lot of people are willing to overlook his lack of talent.

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Old 02-01-2017, 07:27
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He's certainly no natural songwriter. Of the 283 songs he's recorded as a solo artist he has only written 3 on his own. Of course there are many great performers who had the bulk of their songs written for them. However, they often had a great voice to boot. If not then they could certainly write for themselves.

But RW is no greater singer either. I grant you he's better than your entry level X Factor contestant. But his vocal range is pretty poor for someone who has been singing for so long.

So I can only gather that with a lot of luck, cheeky chappy personality, a few timely hit songs (with Guy Chambers) and a loyal following from his TT days a lot of people are willing to overlook his lack of talent.
Good points. There have been some good songs, I mean, Angels I think is a fine pop song but perhaps too big for him, if that makes any sense, I take that it would be hard for most RW fans to imagine anyone else singing it. In the same vein, Patience I thought was a terrific pop song but too good for Take That. I have no idea who wrote Angels, I've simply never seen much talent in RW and am forever amazed at his overall popularity.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:42
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Good points. There have been some good songs, I mean, Angels I think is a fine pop song but perhaps too big for him, if that makes any sense, I take that it would be hard for most RW fans to imagine anyone else singing it. In the same vein, Patience I thought was a terrific pop song but too good for Take That. I have no idea who wrote Angels, I've simply never seen much talent in RW and am forever amazed at his overall popularity.
Co-written with Guy Chambers I believe.
I agree, ( and I like RW) that he is/was never the best singer but at least in the past, I have found him entertaining and he put on a good show. However, now, he appears full of his own importance and can't even sing the songs that made him.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:46
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Co-written with Guy Chambers I believe.
I agree, ( and I like RW) that he is/was never the best singer but at least in the past, I have found him entertaining and he put on a good show. However, now, he appears full of his own importance and can't even sing the songs that made him.
Agreed, he certainly used to be entertaining but he's not so appealing nowadays. The hands down trousers wasn't a great idea, nor the sanitation thing, I mean, a few people do that but he didn't have to make it so obvious and as someone else pointed out, he was the one who chose to start shaking hands.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:58
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Agreed, he certainly used to be entertaining but he's not so appealing nowadays. The hands down trousers wasn't a great idea, nor the sanitation thing, I mean, a few people do that but he didn't have to make it so obvious and as someone else pointed out, he was the one who chose to start shaking hands.
I thought it was rude actually, then I wondered afterwards whether - especially as it was so obvious for all to see - that it was done as a joke....? If it was, it backfired.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:05
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I thought it was rude actually, then I wondered afterwards whether - especially as it was so obvious for all to see - that it was done as a joke....? If it was, it backfired.
Not sure of the attention but something like that will always get attention. Not done as a joke I feel - it it was then in very poor taste and of course sometimes people do come up with bat-brained ideas that backfire and you're sort of left wondering, at what point did your brain reach the decision where you thought - yeah, let's try that.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:31
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Good points. There have been some good songs, I mean, Angels I think is a fine pop song but perhaps too big for him, if that makes any sense, I take that it would be hard for most RW fans to imagine anyone else singing it. In the same vein, Patience I thought was a terrific pop song but too good for Take That. I have no idea who wrote Angels, I've simply never seen much talent in RW and am forever amazed at his overall popularity.
Much as I dislike him I admit he's had some catchy tunes. Against my better judgement I even liked Candy which he did a few years ago. But is he a talent? No. Despite all his popularity, I just can't buy the hero worship and 'legendary' status he's been given. They were really scrapping the barrel when he got the Brits Icon award. Nothing to do with his new album of course...Just like all his charity efforts aren't for his public image too.

Does he care about the criticism? No. He's made a lot of money off his image and it seems there are more than enough people prepared go to his concerts for years to come. He'll keep going and I'll keep switching over the TV channel or radio to avoid him
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:56
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He's an great entertainer not a great singer
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:12
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He's an great entertainer not a great singer
Ah, like Honey G, Wagner, Chico? All ex of X Factor fame.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:23
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I have all Robbie Williams' albums up to and including Rudebox, at which point I was starting to tire of him a little bit. I've not knowingly heard any of his material since then, so I recorded the New Year's Eve programme and started watching it last night.

I didn't recognise many of the numbers (obviously those since Rudebox) but I thought the show was good for a small venue. I wasn't very fond of the posturing, playing with his tackle and fingering his backside to the audience. The dancers were rather fun though, if a bit of a throw back to the bad old days of female objectification. It was a nice touch to bring on his dad for Better Man, a track that I did recognise of course. I liked the Party Like a Russian track .. not heard that one before.

As New Year's Eve shows go though, they've got a helluva long way to go to beat the Queen + Adam Lambert gig of two years ago .. quite the best seeing in of a new year that I can recall. I missed recording it at the time but I'm delighted to have found it since on YouTube.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:48
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I've no idea why he gets as much attention as he still does. His ship sailed past a long time ago.
Well Im not his biggest fan, and some of his stage antics are adolescent to say the least (and not in the least endearing), but Im not so sure his ship has ever stopped sailing so to speak.

Looking at his chart records:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie...graphy#Singles

Rough count 10 UK number 1 albums, 7 UK number 1 singles, plus immense success around the world. His latest album (Nov 2016) No1 in four countries. All this not taking into account his time with Take That.

Love or loathe, success like that cant be ignored.

Overall I think these wrap around New Year concerts work very well, as long as they can keep booking artists with enough of a well known back catalogue they should continue to flourish. 6 million plus audiences before and after the fireworks is very good indeed with a nation very much doing its own thing these days.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:06
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His latest album (Nov 2016) No1 in four countries.
You do realise it doesn't actually take that many sales to get a number one album any more, right? If you time it right, you can get a number one album on about a tenth of the sales it took for example Thriller to get to number one. It takes about 40,000 sales to get to number one these days, which isn't all that many really. Over the course of 2016, Olly Murs' album sold 300,000 copies and is 10th on the year-long chart which is the lowest total individually given in the report I found. His sold fewer apparently. My suspicion is his album sold about 250,000 copies or so over the year. That's about a third of what the number one album (Adele's '25') sold.

He's no longer anything approaching a top rank artist in terms of album sales, he's rattling around the middle ground with an awful lot of people from reality TV and the like. In the 'crooner' stakes he's well below Michael Buble and Michael Ball, who both outsell him comfortably.

Juts to rub it in, Gary Barlow's last solo album sold over 500,000 copies...

Love or loathe, success like that cant be ignored.
I would certainly agree he's had a successful career. A lot of fame, a lot of money, a lot of fun most likely. But the looming question is whether his career has any life left in it or whether he's actually best to make dignified exit.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:28
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You do realise it doesn't actually take that many sales to get a number one album any more, right? If you time it right, you can get a number one album on about a tenth of the sales it took for example Thriller to get to number one. It takes about 40,000 sales to get to number one these days, which isn't all that many really. Over the course of 2016, Olly Murs' album sold 300,000 copies and is 10th on the year-long chart which is the lowest total individually given in the report I found. His sold fewer apparently. My suspicion is his album sold about 250,000 copies or so over the year. That's about a third of what the number one album (Adele's '25') sold.

He's no longer anything approaching a top rank artist in terms of album sales, he's rattling around the middle ground with an awful lot of people from reality TV and the like. In the 'crooner' stakes he's well below Michael Buble and Michael Ball, who both outsell him comfortably.

Juts to rub it in, Gary Barlow's last solo album sold over 500,000 copies...


I would certainly agree he's had a successful career. A lot of fame, a lot of money, a lot of fun most likely. But the looming question is whether his career has any life left in it or whether he's actually best to make dignified exit.
I don't think its fair to compare Robbie's latest album sales (after 2 months!) to Gary's last one as album sales have plummeted since then. If Robbie is in the top 20 selling albums of the year then surely he is still a top tier artist, as there are far, FAR more people below him than above - including some hugely hyped newer acts such as Emeli Sande, Bastille and The 1975.

The fact Robbie Williams keeps doing stadium concerts suggests he has little reason to chuck it in now as there are tens of thousands of people who want to see him.
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:38
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It wasn't as good as the Bryan Adams or Queen shows, but I thought it was still pretty good. I do think he did too many of his new songs (he even made a joke about that in the second half) but he still managed to do all his big hits. Angels is a great track, but didn't like the way he kept saying the next line for the audience to sing. Thought there was too much of that. Some of his antics on stage were possibly a bit much, and he did sound out of tune occasionally, but there's no doubting he's an entertainer.

And regarding the hand sanitizer, I thought it was quite clearly intended as a joke, what with him doing it so blatantly and with the 'disgusted' look on his face? Well I found it funny at least!
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:42
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used to like him but really tired of hearing the same songs and his new songs are rubbish, plus he hasnt heard of over exposure, he's too up his self and his face doesnt look right.
needs to give the public a long break, along with murs.
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:49
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It wasn't as good as the Bryan Adams or Queen shows, bt!

why don't they have an up and coming band instead of all these middle aged, middle of the road farts, at least we get to see something new and different and we don't already hate them, I don't watch these tired old crooners and I am sure there are many millions like me ?
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:59
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The arty farty camera work for the fireworks was abysmal!
I didn't see any on BBC1

Presumably Gary Barlow was busy.
Nope. He's already done it
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