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Old 01-01-2017, 00:51
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Well said ! Brexit is happening
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:14
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Mind-boggling. Has he seen Trump's cabinet and some of their plans? Does he really think going back to every nation state for themselves is going to be good for the European countries' negotiating position with the US, China, etc.? Does he really think that reactionary, right-wing politics is a good way of dealing with today's issues? Again, mind-boggling.
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Old 01-01-2017, 01:27
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Well said ! Brexit is happening
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:01
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Fantastic, happy new year Nigel and down with the EU.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:07
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:16
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I'd love it if 2017 was the year he vanished off the face of the earth.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:19
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Mind-boggling. Has he seen Trump's cabinet and some of their plans? Does he really think going back to every nation state for themselves is going to be good for the European countries' negotiating position with the US, China, etc.? Does he really think that reactionary, right-wing politics is a good way of dealing with today's issues? Again, mind-boggling.
In a word, yes. Right wing nationalists favour hard borders and they would be opposed in principle to the idea of being in an economic or political union with other countries (presumably because they would associate these things with immigration, multiculturalism and globalisation).
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:57
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In a word, yes. Right wing nationalists favour hard borders and they would be opposed in principle to the idea of being in an economic or political union with other countries (presumably because they would associate these things with immigration, multiculturalism and globalisation).
I do actually understand the sentiment of wanting to keep each nation's cultural identity intact and well, and I think that concern is not unreasonable, after all, nobody should want to see the value of different cultures get lost. Trouble is, the way what you call right-wing nationalists seem to want to go about it is backwards-oriented and will leave European countries in a weaker position all around. There is no doubt that the EU needs reforms that take into account the changes in terms of the number of member states and other factors of more recent years. I am afraid, however, that backwards thinking and blaming the EU for every possible problem in domestic politics (does not only happen in the UK) is not going to solve any of the issues, though.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:59
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T**t'

'Live life as if it's your last day' - what the Hell is he on about?

A rabble rouser pure and simple..
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Old 01-01-2017, 04:39
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I do actually understand the sentiment of wanting to keep each nation's cultural identity intact and well, and I think that concern is not unreasonable, after all, nobody should want to see the value of different cultures get lost. Trouble is, the way what you call right-wing nationalists seem to want to go about it is backwards-oriented and will leave European countries in a weaker position all around. There is no doubt that the EU needs reforms that take into account the changes in terms of the number of member states and other factors of more recent years. I am afraid, however, that backwards thinking and blaming the EU for every possible problem in domestic politics (does not only happen in the UK) is not going to solve any of the issues, though.
I can understand these concerns myself. People can be freaked out by the idea of their culture and heritage being eroded and diluted by multiculturalism and immigration (having said that, immigration has been going on for many centuries).

But for the UK to be part of a Single Market and to have full freedom of movement for 25 years and then to try and repeal all of that and go back to an earlier era strikes me as quite reactionary. Are people supposed to try and pretend the last quarter century (ie. Brits moving freely abroad and EU citizens moving freely to Britain) never even happened? Brexit strikes me a little of a nation trying to reintroduce legal bans on things that were unbanned years ago....I'm not sure you can ever undo freedoms like that and have it turn out well.
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Old 01-01-2017, 14:54
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I can understand these concerns myself. People can be freaked out by the idea of their culture and heritage being eroded and diluted by multiculturalism and immigration (having said that, immigration has been going on for many centuries).

But for the UK to be part of a Single Market and to have full freedom of movement for 25 years and then to try and repeal all of that and go back to an earlier era strikes me as quite reactionary. Are people supposed to try and pretend the last quarter century (ie. Brits moving freely abroad and EU citizens moving freely to Britain) never even happened? Brexit strikes me a little of a nation trying to reintroduce legal bans on things that were unbanned years ago....I'm not sure you can ever undo freedoms like that and have it turn out well.
However it is the single market that has changed. Freedom of movement 25 years ago is not the same freedom of movement we have now. It is not pretending it did not happen it is realising that what has occurred is most decidedly not what people thought would happen 25 years ago.
When enlargement occurred and the new treaty was proposed remember Tony Blair's words?

'Once agreed, either at the June Council which is our preference - or subsequently, Parliament should debate it in detail and decide upon it. Then let the people have the final say.

The electorate should be asked for their opinion when all our questions have been answered, when all the details are known, when the legislation has been finally tempered and scrutinised in the House, and when Parliament has debated and decided.

The question will be on the treaty. But the implications go far wider.'

So over 25 years the politicians have managed to deny the electorate a say just too often.
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Old 01-01-2017, 15:34
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However it is the single market that has changed. Freedom of movement 25 years ago is not the same freedom of movement we have now. It is not pretending it did not happen it is realising that what has occurred is most decidedly not what people thought would happen 25 years ago.
When enlargement occurred and the new treaty was proposed remember Tony Blair's words?

'Once agreed, either at the June Council which is our preference - or subsequently, Parliament should debate it in detail and decide upon it. Then let the people have the final say.

The electorate should be asked for their opinion when all our questions have been answered, when all the details are known, when the legislation has been finally tempered and scrutinised in the House, and when Parliament has debated and decided.

The question will be on the treaty. But the implications go far wider.'

So over 25 years the politicians have managed to deny the electorate a say just too often.
The problem is the UK moved from a position of having many restrictions 25+ years ago to having more freedoms within the Single Market. To try and move back to the earlier era does seem a bit regressive, as does the policy of isolationism (claiming that Britain turning its back on its neighbours so that it can forge new trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away is not a form of isolationism is complete nonsense).

The issue of EU enlargement was always on the cards the moment the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and the former Soviet states began becoming independent. It would be a very strange EU that would have refused them membership.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:19
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So over 25 years the politicians have managed to deny the electorate a say just too often.
Exactly.

Which is why Theresa May will not be allowing another referendum of any kind on the UK, the EU and Brexit.

Even UKIP's Paul Nuttall has ruled another referendum, preferring voted betrayal instead.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:22
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Fantastic, happy new year Nigel and down with the EU.
Well said.

I firmly believe that 2017 will see further erosion of the money grabbing machine that is the EU.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:26
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What a lovely, upbeat message. Thank you Nigel for all you have done for our Country in 2016. You are a good and decent man.
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:41
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Mind-boggling. Has he seen Trump's cabinet and some of their plans? Does he really think going back to every nation state for themselves is going to be good for the European countries' negotiating position with the US, China, etc.? Does he really think that reactionary, right-wing politics is a good way of dealing with today's issues? Again, mind-boggling.
A European trade organisation would be an excellent idea.......Without all the Politics of course
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Old 01-01-2017, 16:59
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The problem is the UK moved from a position of having many restrictions 25+ years ago to having more freedoms within the Single Market. To try and move back to the earlier era does seem a bit regressive, as does the policy of isolationism (claiming that Britain turning its back on its neighbours so that it can forge new trade deals with countries 10,000 miles away is not a form of isolationism is complete nonsense).

The issue of EU enlargement was always on the cards the moment the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and the former Soviet states began becoming independent. It would be a very strange EU that would have refused them membership.
It is not such a strange EU that does not let the electorate decide if what the EU are planning is indeed what the electorate want. It is not the single market that is the problem it is the baggage that comes with it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 17:29
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'Live life as if it's your last day' - what the Hell is he on about?
It's a mis-quote anyway - the full quote is something about living each day as if it were the only one you are to be judged on, people will judge you for the last thing you did - something like that, and something about a tricky translation with complex nuance and ambiguity, even without the assistance of gin. The shortened version is OK but only if you remember the 'because that is the one that counts' or some such.


[ e2a for clarity : didn't watch the vido, don't care, he's retired from it all (etc), just attempting to answer a question about a quote ]
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Old 01-01-2017, 19:18
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What a lovely, upbeat message. Thank you Nigel for all you have done for our Country in 2016. You are a good and decent man.
Utter CRAP!!
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Old 01-01-2017, 19:27
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A good and decent man spreading hate and division. You can't get more good and decent than that.

And now he's serving the British people by running off to America to be an immigrant and live a life of luxury with his head up Trumps ass. Man of the people my arse.

The man doesn't care about Britain or any of you. He only cares about one person. And that's Nigel. His supporters really do need to stop deluding themselves that he cares about Britain or the man on the street. If he did then he wouldn't be running off to Trump and posing in front of his gold plated lift doors.
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Old 01-01-2017, 19:53
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It is not such a strange EU that does not let the electorate decide if what the EU are planning is indeed what the electorate want. It is not the single market that is the problem it is the baggage that comes with it.
If the electorate of Europe have a genuine problem with the EU, they can vote in Eurosceptic national governments to change the policies or direction the union is going. The British public could have elected a UKIP government in 2015 if they felt that energised by the subject, just as the French have the power to vote in Marine le Pen this summer - nobody is stopping them.
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Old 01-01-2017, 20:23
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Not a fan, Penny?
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Old 01-01-2017, 20:29
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Farage is the very worst example of an Englishman and his views are irrelevant.
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Old 01-01-2017, 20:40
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I enjoy the cut and thrust and exchanges of opinion here on DS. It is for that reason I'll refrain from telling you exactly what I think about that @^*% Farage.

Despicable, hate filled, spiteful man.
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Old 01-01-2017, 20:48
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Love him or loathe him people can't stop talking about him.

Churchill of course was hated by half the country in the mid 1930s - but he turned out to be right too.
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