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Old 01-01-2017, 10:58
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Interesting opinion piece from William Keegan

https://www.theguardian.com/business...er-keg-in-2017

The absurdity, indeed perils, of Brexit become more obvious by the month. Business is nervous; so is the City, which constitutes far more hundreds of thousands of employees than the small, avaricious band of bankers who made their notorious contribution to the financial crisis.

It would be good if the majority of members of parliament could recall and act upon Edmund Burke’s 1774 address to the electors of Bristol: they should summon up the courage to act as representatives, not delegates of constituencies where they fear the threat from the xenophobic forces conjured up by the likes of Nigel Farage (who shamelessly continues to draw a handsome salary from an EU institution he affects to abhor).
The personal attacks by parliamentary Brexiters on our ambassador to the European Union, Sir Ivan Rogers, were indicative of panic in the victorious ranks. The occasion was the leaking of advice given to Theresa May, in which Rogers suggested trade renegotiations with the EU could last 10 years.

This revelation provoked an unpleasant ad hominem attack on a distinguished civil servant who, in the best traditions of Whitehall, “tells it like it is” to the occupant of No 10, whether that be David Cameron or Theresa May.
It is interesting that a lot of Brexiteers only seem capable of personal attacks rather than dealing with the issues.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:00
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Presumably it will be around November 5th.

Good to see the OP is continuing their daily repetitious Brexit doom and gloom thread into 2017.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:08
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Interesting opinion piece from William Keegan

https://www.theguardian.com/business...er-keg-in-2017




It is interesting that a lot of Brexiteers only seem capable of personal attacks rather than dealing with the issues.
Is that a good or a bad thing, because it would rather seem to that this post would only report the information, without the inclusion of any dubious swipes, if it weren't to be hypocritical.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:08
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So the slow-burning fuse will reach *a* powder keg, not *the* powder keg? Sort of diminishes the urgency of the imminent powder keg, if we know there's more to come then we can make sure we only have to weather this one and use it as preparation for the next one. Then again, that sounds like it's going to be a useful dry-run and we can get some practice in.

Is the next powder keg the big one or is there another one after that?



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Old 01-01-2017, 11:16
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Funny how the stock market ended 2016 at a record high.

There are just people from the losing side trying to talk this country down into a self fulfilling prophesy now.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:22
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There are just people from the losing side trying to talk this country down into a self fulfilling prophesy now.
Or trying to talk the country down from a precipitous leap from a high cliff that it really doesn't need to take.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:22
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Funny how the stock market ended 2016 at a record high.

There are just people from the losing side trying to talk this country down into a self fulfilling prophesy now.
As has been pointed out in other threads, the FTSE100 is mainly made up of companies that operate globally and so their earnings have been boosted by the fall in Sterling. In US$ terms the FTSE100 is down on the year.

Is this what the Brexiteers will use if (and note I do say if) it all goes pear shaped - "It is all the fault of people talking the country down"?
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:27
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Presumably it will be around November 5th.

Good to see the OP is continuing their daily repetitious Brexit doom and gloom thread into 2017.
The sooner Theresa May tells voters that the UK is going to leave the Single Market, the less painful it will be. Preparation time will be ueseful for all concerned.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:34
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Or trying to talk the country down from a precipitous leap from a high cliff that it really doesn't need to take.
That's actually a brilliant suggestion, though with the slight problem that it perhaps ought to have been made this time last year, and perhaps even taken on board by the disastrous own-foot-shooting open-goal-missing defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory-snatching Remain campaign and communicated to, rather than at, the electorate, and before the vote, not after.



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Old 01-01-2017, 11:38
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It's never been clearer that brexit is not in the national interest, and MP's have a duty to block it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:40
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So the slow-burning fuse will reach *a* powder keg, not *the* powder keg? Sort of diminishes the urgency of the imminent powder keg, if we know there's more to come then we can make sure we only have to weather this one and use it as preparation for the next one. Then again, that sounds like it's going to be a useful dry-run and we can get some practice in.

Is the next powder keg the big one or is there another one after that?



[ p.s. yes I started a post with 'so' ]
Maybe this particular powder keg is surrounded by all the other powder kegs, so setting this on off will set of a chain reaction.

Or maybe it's the one massive powder keg that really needs to be avoided being set off.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:40
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There are just people from the losing side trying to talk this country down into a self fulfilling prophesy now.
I don't think so. Almost every Remainer posting on this forum is looking across a wide range of post-referendum options for the one that will do the least harm to the UK.

Contrast that with the rump of forum Brexiteers who are not hiding the fact that they will accept being worse off as a key feature of their Cult like intransigence
There is stubborn. And then there is stubborn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLW5jzHsW7c
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:41
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The sooner Theresa May tells voters that the UK is going to leave the Single Market, the less painful it will be. Preparation time will be ueseful for all concerned.
But she presumably already issued a copper bottomed guaran-damn-tee to Nissan that that won't happen.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:46
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Funny how the stock market ended 2016 at a record high.

There are just people from the losing side trying to talk this country down into a self fulfilling prophesy now.
That's so 2016!

1. The losing side is the side leaving the EU.

2. Using "talking down the country" is pretty much in the realm of "it said so in my horoscope", "my clairvoyant told me", "a ghostly apparition appeared at the end of my bed and told me to vote leave" etc.

Time for Brexiteers to take responsibility for their actions and stop hiding by blaming everyone else.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:03
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That's so 2016!

1. The losing side is the side leaving the EU.

2. Using "talking down the country" is pretty much in the realm of "it said so in my horoscope", "my clairvoyant told me", "a ghostly apparition appeared at the end of my bed and told me to vote leave" etc.

Time for Brexiteers to take responsibility for their actions and stop hiding by blaming everyone else.
The losing side? For the love of God, please take a look at where the money is going.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:05
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Interesting opinion piece from William Keegan

https://www.theguardian.com/business...er-keg-in-2017




It is interesting that a lot of Brexiteers only seem capable of personal attacks rather than dealing with the issues.
Did you contribute to the Guardian for the story, apparently although lots of people are reading their stuff nobody wants to pay for it........ Says it all really, doesn't it
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:09
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It's never been clearer that brexit is not in the national interest, and MP's have a duty to block it.
Didn't you say that we should accept the result and move forward?

Oh sorry I forgot that you are a troll.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:11
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Didn't you say that we should accept the result and move forward?

Oh sorry I forgot that you are a troll.
He did, but that would only have applied if Remain won.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:13
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But she presumably already issued a copper bottomed guaran-damn-tee to Nissan that that won't happen.
Is Mrs May going to say one thing to Nissan and another to voters ?
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:17
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Didn't you say that we should accept the result and move forward?

Oh sorry I forgot that you are a troll.
Is William Keegan a troll too? Oh sorry you just like to dismiss anyone with an intelligent opinion different to yours as trolling.

Fortunately - as long as the Supreme Court does its job this month then it doesn't really matter what you or I think, parliament will see its powers upheld and they will be able to block brexit.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:18
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He did, but that would only have applied if Remain won.
If leave had won a majority of all eligible voters then it would be different. But they didn't, so now we have a mess to sort out. And the best way for MP's to sort this mess out is to do their job and act in the national interest.
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:21
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As has been pointed out in other threads, the FTSE100 is mainly made up of companies that operate globally and so their earnings have been boosted by the fall in Sterling.
Yup. A good thing?

In US$ terms the FTSE100 is down on the year.
Whoopee. What's it like in RMB terms? Or Euro terms? And why would it be at all relevant?
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:24
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Is William Keegan a troll too?
Nope, just a journalist.

Fortunately - as long as the Supreme Court does its job this month then it doesn't really matter what you or I think, parliament will see its powers upheld and they will be able to block brexit.
You really think that's a good thing?
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:24
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Is William Keegan a troll too? Oh sorry you just like to dismiss anyone with an intelligent opinion different to yours as trolling.

Fortunately - as long as the Supreme Court does its job this month then it doesn't really matter what you or I think, parliament will see its powers upheld and they will be able to block brexit.
Oh, thank goodness Mishcon de Reya has no vested financial interest and it's all being done in the name of democracy. Like unminuted meetings and the democracy they bring...
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Old 01-01-2017, 12:27
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Nope, just a journalist.

You really think that's a good thing?
Yes. And given leave ran on a message of protecting the primacy of our parliamentary democracy, I would surely think the Supreme Court upholding it would be an outcome all sides will happily celebrate.
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