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Old 01-01-2017, 23:07
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I totally agree and she is way too big to wear those skimpy costumes these days
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:13
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I totally agree and she is way too big to wear those skimpy costumes these days
When she arrives so late everywhere, it's like the chubby, aging, half cut stripper has just turned up 😳
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:03
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Should just say, this was pretty much all on the sound engineers, not Mariah Carey. Mariah said herself during the "performance" that her stage monitor wasn't on, that means she couldn't hear herself sing and when you can't hear yourself sing you have next to no chance of singing in the right time, let alone in the right tune.

I thought she handled it as gracefully as she could, I mean at the end of the day she had 3 options really:
1) Walk off the stage a la Milli Vanilli.
2) Just stand there like a deer in the headlights/do some stupid dance a la Ashley Simpson.
3) Try and explain the situation to the audience and just take it on the chin.

She chose option 3 and good on her, the only part where she lost brownie points was the whole "I need a holiday too" bit, but this definitely shouldn't be a career killing moment for her, it should for the sound engineer though.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:35
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I went to her show at the O2 last year. She sounded good. She sang live. She can still sing. There are plenty of videos of her singing live from 2016. However people will pick on one bad performance and hang on to it.
I saw her in Leeds last year. And yes, she sang live, but she mimed a good 20% of it. The big notes and climax of every song was mimed. It was blindingly obvious as the climax of pretty much every song sounded like 1994 Mariah, and she doesn't sound like that anymore.

It's a shame, I'd have a bit more respect for her if she was just honest about the fact her range isn't what it once was. It's not uncommon for singers' ranges to diminish as they age. She could easily adapt the songs to suit her current range rather than miming so often.

Even so, she's still my guilty pleasure
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:52
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I don't think she was entirely sober IMO, Very wobbly on her feet. She needs to lay off the champers. Her "performance" gave me a good laugh though. Great way to start the year. As for killing off her career? I don't think it will. Maybe some of the sound technicians though..
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:09
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Should just say, this was pretty much all on the sound engineers, not Mariah Carey. Mariah said herself during the "performance" that her stage monitor wasn't on, that means she couldn't hear herself sing and when you can't hear yourself sing you have next to no chance of singing in the right time, let alone in the right tune.

I thought she handled it as gracefully as she could, I mean at the end of the day she had 3 options really:
1) Walk off the stage a la Milli Vanilli.
2) Just stand there like a deer in the headlights/do some stupid dance a la Ashley Simpson.
3) Try and explain the situation to the audience and just take it on the chin.

She chose option 3 and good on her, the only part where she lost brownie points was the whole "I need a holiday too" bit, but this definitely shouldn't be a career killing moment for her, it should for the sound engineer though.
You have missed a 4th option
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:10
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Don't see what the fuss is about?! Do people really expect Mariah to sing live?
She has form for botched lip syncing performances.
Surely this is an ironic gag from you
Expecting a Singer to actually sing,isn't really too much,is it ?
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Old 02-01-2017, 05:07
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You have missed a 4th option
SING LIVE
As I've said, that simply is not a viable option when your monitor is broken because you can't hear yourself over all the other noise whether it be the band or the crowd so youd have no idea if you were in time or in tune.

I'm a musician, trust me, you need those monitors on, I don't think people quite understand how hard it is to perform when your sound engineers have screwed the pooch.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:17
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No I think she couldn't hear the track or herself. All she could hear was the audience screaming. If she could hear the track she would have tried to do the song live regardless of what state her voice was in. She does that song live in her concerts.

It's difficult to improvise when you only have a 5 minute set. You can't sing if you can't hear the track or yourself. The only result is that you will sound off key and out of time. Had this been at one of her own concerts then you could salvage things as you can wait until the sound engineers get their act together. On a live show you can't.
Three words for you - in-ear monitors. Everyone uses them these days. Even if the track and vocals cut out, you can still hear yourself.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:26
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I went to her show at the O2 last year. She sounded good. She sang live. She can still sing. There are plenty of videos of her singing live from 2016. However people will pick on one bad performance and hang on to it.
I'm not picking on a bad performance, or her talent. I'm picking on her decision to just not bother and go her merry way because she felt like it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:28
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This was a PR stunt.

Mariah herself said something along the lines of "heres to making headlines in 2017"

very clever making it look accidental.


Mariah is one of these celebs who are big enough to get away with it. she doesn't care if she looks bad, she only cares for the publicity.
No I think that is something said after the event to attempt to spin it into something positive in the hope that she can get it to fly.
Then people like you can credit her for being clever.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:32
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I totally agree and she is way too big to wear those skimpy costumes these days
When she arrives so late everywhere, it's like the chubby, aging, half cut stripper has just turned up 😳
I don't think that she's showered herself in glory. But comments like these which are about her physical appearance really aren't relevant.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:32
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I can't believe some of her fans are still trying to defend this.

What happened is simple. The backing vocals she planned on miming to for Emotion didn't start so she was left with nothing to do as she couldn't sing in her real voice so for two minutes she walked around the stage in a huff.

Then the backing track for We Belong Together - with 2005 vocals did start up and she mimed the whole thing (very badly) but knowing she ****ed up she threw a fit and walked off.

Thats it. I agree that alcohol probably played a factor in this as you get the feeling she was half cut just from the way her dancers have to keep holding her up.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:56
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As I've said, that simply is not a viable option when your monitor is broken because you can't hear yourself over all the other noise whether it be the band or the crowd so youd have no idea if you were in time or in tune.

I'm a musician, trust me, you need those monitors on, I don't think people quite understand how hard it is to perform when your sound engineers have screwed the pooch.
Yet her dancers seemed able to hear the music. Why do you think they could hear and Mariah couldn't.
As you're a musician I'm sure you're aware of the importance of doing a)a rehearsal and b) a soundcheck. Perhaps you could explain why Mariah doesn't bother to do either of these things.
Could it be because she's lazy and unprofessional and doesn't care about her reputation as a talented singer?
And in answer to your previous question, she has a 5th option. Retire and stop taking money under false pretences ie pretending she can still sing live when everyone (apart from her rapidly decreasing bunch of hardcore sycophantic delusional fans) know that isn't the case. By all means, trade on her celebrity and do her reality tv show. Sell her own perfume line, celebrity endorsements, etc. There's nothing wrong with any of that.
It's surprising to me (as a layman) to hear a musician as yourself accept and excuse such low standards, tbh.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:06
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I don't think that she's showered herself in glory. But comments like these which are about her physical appearance really aren't relevant.
It's relevant to comment on her stage costume as that is part of her act. Her appearance is something she herself has used in the past to sell records and concert tickets, as most artists do. It's not even sexist, after all people used to mock 'fat Elvis' when he started to overflow his spandex jump suits.
Her costume appeared to be too tight and revealing for her body shape. She would have looked better in something more covered and 'flowing'. That doesn't mean she isn't still a beautiful woman (she is IMO) but performers have a certain look to maintain.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:26
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I can't believe some of her fans are still trying to defend this.

What happened is simple. The backing vocals she planned on miming to for Emotion didn't start so she was left with nothing to do as she couldn't sing in her real voice so for two minutes she walked around the stage in a huff.

Then the backing track for We Belong Together - with 2005 vocals did start up and she mimed the whole thing (very badly) but knowing she ****ed up she threw a fit and walked off.

Thats it. I agree that alcohol probably played a factor in this as you get the feeling she was half cut just from the way her dancers have to keep holding her up.
Exactly what I was trying to say a few pages back.

It all went wrong when the vocals for Emotion failed to start so she was unable to mime the song. Then it started up fine for We Belong Together but by then she knew her miming had been outed and was unable to recover.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:27
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When she arrives so late everywhere, it's like the chubby, aging, half cut stripper has just turned up 😳
That's pretty low! She looks Feb IMO. I think men like curves not skinny girls.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:30
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I can't believe some of her fans are still trying to defend this.

What happened is simple. The backing vocals she planned on miming to for Emotion didn't start so she was left with nothing to do as she couldn't sing in her real voice so for two minutes she walked around the stage in a huff.k

Then the backing track for We Belong Together - with 2005 vocals did start up and she mimed the whole thing (very badly) but knowing she ****ed up she threw a fit and walked off.

Thats it. I agree that alcohol probably played a factor in this as you get the feeling she was half cut just from the way her dancers have to keep holding her up.
I'm not really surprised at all. See Britney Spears.
Apparently many younger fans have been conditioned to accept lipsynching during live performances, along with autotuning, as normal and expected.
Even Dolly Parton has been exposed as lipsynching during live performances (though she did it better).
Apparently it's enough for a singer just to turn up, move their mouths in time to a backing track and wander aimlessly round the stage waving their arms randomly (again, see Britney).
Anyone who criticises this or expects something more in the way of singing is just being jealous and should get up and see if they can do any better themselves.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:34
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You have missed a 4th option
SING LIVE
I know right. Imagine the barefaced cheek of an audience expecting a singer to actually sing - madness
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:34
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When she arrives so late everywhere, it's like the chubby, aging, half cut stripper has just turned up 😳
Exactly, she obviously has no self respect. It looks so tacky.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:38
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I don't think that she's showered herself in glory. But comments like these which are about her physical appearance really aren't relevant.
The thing is that when you are a star appearance is a big part of it. I wasn't criticising her for putting some weight on but the fact that the skimpy costumes don't (in my opinion) look good on a fuller figured older woman. It's time to put it away and have a bit of self respect. Put a dress on for goodness sake and leave the tacky stripping to younger people.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:47
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It's funny in all the daily mail pics she's smiling even if she looks a bit frustrated.

I think she needs better management personaly but she hasn't had good management in years
I think her management team seem to at fault here as well. If you watch her ''reality show' Mariah's World. Her manager seem to be a little bit of a money grabber and doesn't seem to really know how to manage Mariah professionally. There is something very off with her manager, watch her show to see what I mean.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:01
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I think her management team seem to at fault here as well. If you watch her ''reality show' Mariah's World. Her manager seem to be a little bit of a money grabber and doesn't seem to really know how to manage Mariah professionally. There is something very off with her manager, watch her show to see what I mean.
Maybe Mariah should change her management team then.
The fact is Mariah has been in the music industry for a long time now and she should be able to take responsibility for her own business decisions. She's not a naive child just starting out.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:19
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I saw her in Leeds last year. And yes, she sang live, but she mimed a good 20% of it. The big notes and climax of every song was mimed. It was blindingly obvious as the climax of pretty much every song sounded like 1994 Mariah, and she doesn't sound like that anymore.

It's a shame, I'd have a bit more respect for her if she was just honest about the fact her range isn't what it once was. It's not uncommon for singers' ranges to diminish as they age. She could easily adapt the songs to suit her current range rather than miming so often.

Even so, she's still my guilty pleasure
Yes she did mine some of the time. She did mime the climaxes to some of her songs but some of them she did sing live like My all and she sounded good. She also did do the whistle notes on some of the songs like heartbreaker.

I don't think her range has diminished. I think it's more of a reliability issue. She can still hit the same notes but not in a live setting. In the studio she can have as many attempts as she needs to hit a note. In a live setting she only gets one shot and she isn't sure if she can hit the note or not so she will use a pre-recorded track. Yes her voice isn't the same as it once was but I don't think she should be crucified. She can still sing, lets not say she can't sing anymore because she can and still sounds nice when she sing she live.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:23
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As I've said, that simply is not a viable option when your monitor is broken because you can't hear yourself over all the other noise whether it be the band or the crowd so youd have no idea if you were in time or in tune.

I'm a musician, trust me, you need those monitors on, I don't think people quite understand how hard it is to perform when your sound engineers have screwed the pooch.
Three words for you - in-ear monitors. Everyone uses them these days. Even if the track and vocals cut out, you can still hear yourself.
But they were not working, she could not hear herself or the track. Impossible to sing live and sound decently. Minus the high notes she has been singing emotions live on her tour, including a re-vamped MTV unplugged intro and has sounded great. She can sing the song live.
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