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I've never liked Mariah Carey.
Vastly overrated. By a billion miles. And her voice is just terrible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uos__9Qny34 |
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Final victim of 2016 - Mariah Carey's career.
Seriously what the heck... |
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She has a massive arse. Or should that be she is a massive arse?
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I'm not really surprised at all. See Britney Spears.
Apparently many younger fans have been conditioned to accept lipsynching during live performances, along with autotuning, as normal and expected. Even Dolly Parton has been exposed as lipsynching during live performances (though she did it better). Apparently it's enough for a singer just to turn up, move their mouths in time to a backing track and wander aimlessly round the stage waving their arms randomly (again, see Britney). Anyone who criticises this or expects something more in the way of singing is just being jealous and should get up and see if they can do any better themselves. It appears to be the case nowadays that major international pop stars are credited for their talent of moving their mouth in perfect sync to a sound recording. |
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The thing is that when you are a star appearance is a big part of it. I wasn't criticising her for putting some weight on but the fact that the skimpy costumes don't (in my opinion) look good on a fuller figured older woman. It's time to put it away and have a bit of self respect. Put a dress on for goodness sake and leave the tacky stripping to younger people.
There are fair criticisms to be made, but to talk about her being fat, or old, or wearing the wrong type of dress just completely deflates the value of the valid criticisms made which are about what she actually did, and were what the thread was created for doesn't it? For example, the thread is about her lip sync going wrong, her not being able to react accordingly, and then walking off. That's the point of the thread. Then somebody says she's fat. Oh, and she's too old for that dress. Then it's really tacky for a woman of that age. Then at this point it's a case of "What are we talking about again?" Now the original point of the thread has been diluted to nothing. Do you see my point? Can you agree with that? |
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It's that simple. And those same people will even go on to describe them as 'amazing'.
It appears to be the case nowadays that major international pop stars are credited for their talent of moving their mouth in perfect sync to a sound recording. It's a sad state of affairs but that's the pop music industry for you, people don't value live performances as much as they would do in say the rock and heavy metal scene, instead the winning factor is whether or not you're in the charts. |
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It's been that way for a long, long time. As early as Milli Vanilli, and perhaps even earlier, because when Milli Vanilli were caught one of their key lines of defense was that many acts in the industry were just like them - dancers hired to lip sync to other peoples songs while fronting as a "band" - but they were only ones to be caught red handed lip syncing and so they were the only ones "exposed"
It's a sad state of affairs but that's the pop music industry for you, people don't value live performances as much as they would do in say the rock and heavy metal scene, instead the winning factor is whether or not you're in the charts. It was a similar story with Betty Boo. Got caught out. It was a career destroying moment. Although she did well afterwards with a career as a song writer. Strangely it was sort of acceptable to mime on TOTP, but not at a live gig. I suppose people were prepared to overlook things in a TV production context but not so forgiving in a live gig context. Maybe the public had a better handle on it back then and understood the right balance? Now the fans of music acts don't seem to be as discerning and quality isn't really too much of a concern for them. I'm not sure what timespan I was referring to when I said 'nowadays', I guess I mean that it's becoming more acceptable as time goes on. One thing which is really funny is that even after most fans of The X Factor discovered that 'live' singers on the show had their voices electronically altered in real time with automated software a few years ago, you still get the audiences at these shows whooping, hollering and cheering when one of the singers is performing and hits those very high notes. Even now despite them knowing about the trickery going on. It makes you wonder how much someone's mind has to bend itself to accept this kind of duality going on.
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Lip synching and autotune - oh boy. What a rip off and it's now dominating the pop industry. I was particularly interested the other day when browsing Youtube to hear one female star's backing vocalist sounding almost exactly like her.
As for Mariah Carey, I suppose she'll carry on until people stop paying to see her. |
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It's been that way for a long, long time. As early as Milli Vanilli, and perhaps even earlier, because when Milli Vanilli were caught one of their key lines of defense was that many acts in the industry were just like them - dancers hired to lip sync to other peoples songs while fronting as a "band" - but they were only ones to be caught red handed lip syncing and so they were the only ones "exposed"
It's a sad state of affairs but that's the pop music industry for you, people don't value live performances as much as they would do in say the rock and heavy metal scene, instead the winning factor is whether or not you're in the charts. |
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A video has now been released of host and exec producer Ryan Seacrest with Mariah at the soundcheck Dick Clark says she skipped.
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The most bizarre part of it for me is where she's alledged to have said 'I wanted a holiday too. Can't I just have one?'
Well, yeah, course you can Mariah love. Little tip though. The next time you want a holiday at any given time of the year, don't accept work for the same date. The only explanation I can think of for that strange choice of words is that it's a very un-guarded indication that she thought she could get away with bare minimum of effort, so in her arrogance she thought it would be party party party, oops, just gotta nip out for thirty minutes to make the easiest million dollars ever, then straight back to party party party. |
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As I've said, that simply is not a viable option when your monitor is broken because you can't hear yourself over all the other noise whether it be the band or the crowd so youd have no idea if you were in time or in tune.
I'm a musician, trust me, you need those monitors on, I don't think people quite understand how hard it is to perform when your sound engineers have screwed the pooch. |
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People up and down the country sing every night in pubs and clubs without monitors or ear pieces.
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People up and down the country sing every night in pubs and clubs without monitors or ear pieces.
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The most bizarre part of it for me is where she's alledged to have said 'I wanted a holiday too. Can't I just have one?'
Well, yeah, course you can Mariah love. Little tip though. The next time you want a holiday at any given time of the year, don't accept work for the same date. The only explanation I can think of for that strange choice of words is that it's a very un-guarded indication that she thought she could get away with bare minimum of effort, so in her arrogance she thought it would be party party party, oops, just gotta nip out for thirty minutes to make the easiest million dollars ever, then straight back to party party party. |
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People up and down the country sing every night in pubs and clubs without monitors or ear pieces.
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People up and down the country sing every night in pubs and clubs without monitors or ear pieces.
Anyway in the case of this 'performance' they didn't play the right track for her to mime to, right? She lipped to Auld Lang Syne (which she messed up) and the third song so was anyone expecting a live vocal for Emotions? Surely not! |
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Indeed. Also what baffles me is how come acts used to be able to perform without them? And with acts such as The Beatles, in front of thousand screaming fans.
Anyway in the case of this 'performance' they didn't play the right track for her to mime to, right? She lipped to Auld Lang Syne (which she messed up) and the third song so was anyone expecting a live vocal for Emotions? Surely not! |
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Why wouldn't she sing emotions live when she's been doing it live all year at her tour
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Please, she couldn't get through one MINUTE of Auld Lang Syne without messing up. She missed the intro and was "singing" something else at one point!
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Which was probably only audible to dogs. In answer to the original question, yes Mariah bugger off and leave the warbling to the others.
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Why would she lip the other two then? Does she not do We Belong Together live on tour? Please, she couldn't get through one MINUTE of Auld Lang Syne without messing up. She missed the intro and was "singing" something else at one point!
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Auld Lang Syne and We Belong Together were both mimed because she was singing to the pitch perfect studio versions of the songs. That is what gives the game away. The drama all stems from the vocals for Emotion not starting up. Hence her being exposed for miming.
I still don't know what she was thinking miming to the studio versions for anyway. She simply doesn't sound like that anymore. This is what she sounds like now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PzY8WHzobk That clip alone highlights why she needs backing tracks thesedays. At least when Madonna mimes she does it to newly pre-recorded vocals and doesn't try to pretend her voice is still in the same shape it was 30 yeas ago.. I mean could you imagine Madonna bursting onto the stage and miming to this with its 1980s vocals? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52iW3lcpK5M everyone would think she had gone nuts. Well this is exactly what Mariah is doing. |
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Indeed. Also what baffles me is how come acts used to be able to perform without them? And with acts such as The Beatles, in front of thousand screaming fans.
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Auld Lang Syne and We Belong Together were both mimed because she was singing to the pitch perfect studio versions of the songs. That is what gives the game away. The drama all stems from the vocals for Emotion not starting up. Hence her being exposed for miming.
I still don't know what she was thinking miming to the studio versions for anyway. She simply doesn't sound like that anymore. This is what she sounds like now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PzY8WHzobk That clip alone highlights why she needs backing tracks thesedays. At least when Madonna mimes she does it to newly pre-recorded vocals and doesn't try to pretend her voice is still in the same shape it was 30 yeas ago.. She doesn't sound like she did in the 90's but she can still sing. She's sung that song on numerous occasions since the one you posted and sounded decent but of course you would choose to ignore those to suit your own agenda. Her plan on the night was to sing emotions live and lip sync Auld Lang syne and WBT. Technical issues effected all 3 performances. When she couldn't hear she couldn't lip sync in time to WBT or Auld Lang Syne. She can and does sing WBT and emotions live on a regular basis. She's never sang Auld Lang Syne live. She's been caught out miming before and you know what she did, she just sang live in the end. That was not the issue here. |
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Even now despite them knowing about the trickery going on. It makes you wonder how much someone's mind has to bend itself to accept this kind of duality going on.
