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Old 03-01-2017, 16:44
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Her voice is terrible thesedays. My mom is an opera singer and Mariah's problem is that she hasn't looked after herself. She clearly drinks a lot of alcohol and its caused damage to her diaphragm.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:51
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Her voice is terrible thesedays. My mom is an opera singer and Mariah's problem is that she hasn't looked after herself. She clearly drinks a lot of alcohol and its caused damage to her diaphragm.
It was probably all the over singing that caused the majority of the damage. Her voice started changing from 96/97. She wasn't allowed to drink then.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:57
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Wasn't one of the reasons they stopped touring that they couldn't hear each other playing over the crowd noise?
I'm not sure which one said it, John maybe - "the music wasn't being heard". There are plenty of performances proving they could play, sing and keep time despite screaming crowds. And with no monitors or ear pieces. That was my point.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:08
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Her voice is terrible thesedays. My mom is an opera singer and Mariah's problem is that she hasn't looked after herself. She clearly drinks a lot of alcohol and its caused damage to her diaphragm.
I'm not even a fan of MC, however even now, on a bad day, she has a better voice than most other singers/ performers out there.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:08
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Her voice is terrible thesedays. My mom is an opera singer and Mariah's problem is that she hasn't looked after herself. She clearly drinks a lot of alcohol and its caused damage to her diaphragm.
I'm not even a fan of MC, however even now, on a bad day, she has a better voice than most other singers/ performers out there have on a good day.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:10
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She was out of sync with the Audio.
How did she start off (although not quite) in sync and end in sync? Could it be that she was so unrehearsed / didn't give a toss / full of 'cheer' that she forgot what she was meant to mime in the middle? Not only that. it's no coincidence to me that the camera switches to the crowd at the very point she messes up. It was appalling. End of.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:10
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Lip syncing for a woman who is a singer is absolutely ridiculous. There is no excuse for this shambles. It's not like she's got the excuse of being a dancer either
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:15
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Indeed. Also what baffles me is how come acts used to be able to perform without them? And with acts such as The Beatles, in front of thousand screaming fans.

Anyway in the case of this 'performance' they didn't play the right track for her to mime to, right? She lipped to Auld Lang Syne (which she messed up) and the third song so was anyone expecting a live vocal for Emotions? Surely not!
the beatles have famously went on record to say they couldn't hear what they were playing when they were doing the large shows like shea stadium as the amps weren't loud enough and the screams were over powering, and that's why they stopped playing live

using either stage monitors or IEM's has been fairly standard practice for years for even relatively small gigs. it's hard to perform well if you can't make out what the other musicians are playing. if you've ever been onstage at a big gig, but without IEM's you may notice the sound bouncing off the back of the venue and what you are hearing is out of sync with the band as that reverb can be considerably louder than the on stage sound, as the main PA is belting out and coming back at you out of time
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:25
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It doesn't help that her management are saying that the show (which has been going for years) 'sabotaged' her. I mean, really? Why on earth would they do that? They have got a lot of publicity from this but I highly doubt they would do that. She needs to calm herself down- she has form for this (see : her performance in Jamaica).
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:34
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the beatles have famously went on record to say they couldn't hear what they were playing when they were doing the large shows like shea stadium as the amps weren't loud enough and the screams were over powering, and that's why they stopped playing live

using either stage monitors or IEM's has been fairly standard practice for years for even relatively small gigs. it's hard to perform well if you can't make out what the other musicians are playing. if you've ever been onstage at a big gig, but without IEM's you may notice the sound bouncing off the back of the venue and what you are hearing is out of sync with the band as that reverb can be considerably louder than the on stage sound, as the main PA is belting out and coming back at you out of time
I'm aware of what's been documented about the reasons why they stopped touring. That wasn't my point.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:12
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It doesn't help that her management are saying that the show (which has been going for years) 'sabotaged' her. I mean, really? Why on earth would they do that? They have got a lot of publicity from this but I highly doubt they would do that. She needs to calm herself down- she has form for this (see : her performance in Jamaica).
This is not the same as in Jamaica. In Jamaica she had smoked too much weed and was under the influence on stage. She never said anything about technical difficulties then. Here she was sober and not under the influence of anything.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:01
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Nothing’s going to change the fact that she’s the highest selling female artist of the SoundScan era (1990 to present day). She’s had one hell of a successful career – over 62 million albums sold in the US and over 200 million records worldwide.
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Old 04-01-2017, 02:56
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Lip syncing for a woman who is a singer is absolutely ridiculous. There is no excuse for this shambles. It's not like she's got the excuse of being a dancer either
It's the musical equivalent of athletes taking performance enhancement substances.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:26
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I'm aware of what's been documented about the reasons why they stopped touring. That wasn't my point.
well your point is completely lost

if you knew the issue the beatles had, why make out that if the beatles could do it, others could too, and suggesting that other acts did without them in the past so others could now. it just makes you sound like you don't know what you are talking about, and you didn't even bother to clarify in your reply
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:41
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Nothing’s going to change the fact that she’s the highest selling female artist of the SoundScan era (1990 to present day). She’s had one hell of a successful career – over 62 million albums sold in the US and over 200 million records worldwide.
And I don't think anyone is disputing that. We know Mariah is a legend, the issue I have as a fan is her deluded behaviour thesedays. Trying to fool people into believing you sound the same as you did 25 years ago is making her a joke. She needs to stop miming to the studio versions of her songs which were recorded decades ago. The comments she is getting all over social media and Youtube are awful, she is being slaughtered, this will be her legacy if she isn't careful and I personally don't want her remembered as control freak putting on a fake performance for people everytime the camera roll.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:45
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WTF was she wearing and were the two blokes guiding her to the front of the stage, her homecare assistants ? She looked ffed and confused.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:37
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This is not the same as in Jamaica. In Jamaica she had smoked too much weed and was under the influence on stage. She never said anything about technical difficulties then. Here she was sober and not under the influence of anything.
She was sober? Are you sure? I liked Mariah but my word, that was a shambles. Yes, there were technical difficulties but she should be enough of a pro to salvage things. I watched it in full & even when she knew it was bad (which was from the start), she didn't even try to give the audience any kind of performance, she just walked up & down the stage sounding like a drowned cat and mumbling. She was a mess.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:58
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No it is not.

The problem here is that she hasn't got the right people around her, pushing her towards the music instead of the celebrity. Heck her manager was a producer for reality television!
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:56
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No it is not.

The problem here is that she hasn't got the right people around her, pushing her towards the music instead of the celebrity. Heck her manager was a producer for reality television!
I'm no fan of MC but I happened to be channel hopping the other night when her documentary was one and got reeled in.

Her tour manager didn't know there is a time difference between London and Luxembourg and they arrived an hour after she should have been on stage. It was just car crash.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:08
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well your point is completely lost

if you knew the issue the beatles had, why make out that if the beatles could do it, others could too, and suggesting that other acts did without them in the past so others could now. it just makes you sound like you don't know what you are talking about, and you didn't even bother to clarify in your reply
Gosh you're rude.

I think it was clear that I didn't understand why groups and singers could perform in the past without this type of equipment, and often in challenging circumstances - but they did perform. What else needs clarifying?
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:43
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Gosh you're rude.

I think it was clear that I didn't understand why groups and singers could perform in the past without this type of equipment, and often in challenging circumstances - but they did perform. What else needs clarifying?
why say "I'm aware of what's been documented about the reasons why they stopped touring. " then, as it appears to contradict the part in bold?

the beatles couldn't perform well without monitors. since then bands use monitors to help them hear. when the beatles started playing huge venues they were the first to do so in such a way, so the first to encounter the problem, which was later resolved for future concerts so the bands could play. the point being that artists can't hear without the monitors and that's why the beatles stopped playing. if bands play huge venues with huge PA's or people screaming they can't play properly without monitors. bands weren't playing big shows without monitors, due to the issues the beatles had. they took lessons from it and found a solution
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:54
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I'm a fan of Mariah's music, but even from early on in her career she was labelled a "studio worm" by some in the record industry. It's one of the reasons she did the Unplugged album. She could never hold a candle to Whitney Houston when it came to live performances. Even towards the end of her live, Whitney always tried to sing live.

The NYE incident has been on the cards for a long time. She started embracing the whole diva persona around the Emancipation of Mimi era. Her team should have explained that you don't refer to yourself as a diva, it's a label that others use to refer to you. Also, she should be above making childish comments about the likes of Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato and Jennifer Lopez.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:04
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True she was never considered a great "show-woman " so to speak and that's fine if the studio is what she prefers but she shouldn't do the gaudy "showgirl" act if it's not where her strengths are. There's enough performers stomping around in crotch gobbling spandex and feathers . She could do something different.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:03
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I'm a fan of Mariah's music, but even from early on in her career she was labelled a "studio worm" by some in the record industry. It's one of the reasons she did the Unplugged album. She could never hold a candle to Whitney Houston when it came to live performances. Even towards the end of her live, Whitney always tried to sing live.

The NYE incident has been on the cards for a long time. She started embracing the whole diva persona around the Emancipation of Mimi era. Her team should have explained that you don't refer to yourself as a diva, it's a label that others use to refer to you. Also, she should be above making childish comments about the likes of Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato and Jennifer Lopez.
She hasn't really made childish comments about Ariana or Demi. The JLo thing was made into a much bigger thing than it ever was, and is now constantly referenced much more than it was at the time. She's said nothing bad about her, just that she doesn't know her.

With Ariana, she hasn't listened to her music so doesn't have an opinion on her which is fair enough. She wasn't mean about her. And the Demi thing was a response to Demi, who went after her for no reason at all. All she said was she doesn't know her and rather than go at her on social media, she should say it to her face. That to me isn't childish.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:08
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True she was never considered a great "show-woman " so to speak and that's fine if the studio is what she prefers but she shouldn't do the gaudy "showgirl" act if it's not where her strengths are. There's enough performers stomping around in crotch gobbling spandex and feathers . She could do something different.
I'd agree with that partially but for the most part, she looks great. I'd prefer more of the long dress, classy Mariah than the swimsuit, cheap Mariah but IMO she's looked great recently whilst on stage in both.
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