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Old 02-01-2017, 20:32
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It is roughly half. Let's not be too pedantic!
You're probably a bit like my parents are when telling the time...12:00-12:15 its quarter past even if its pretty much just dinged the hour.

When we're doing this sort of legal things then there is not room for ambiguity and being pedantic....its down to cold hard logic and until we resurrect Einstein from the grave and he declares 48 is greater then 52 i'll still think a certain way.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:49
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You're probably a bit like my parents are when telling the time...12:00-12:15 its quarter past even if its pretty much just dinged the hour.

When we're doing this sort of legal things then there is not room for ambiguity and being pedantic....its down to cold hard logic and until we resurrect Einstein from the grave and he declares 48 is greater then 52 i'll still think a certain way.

Yes 48b is a lesser number - yes it's the minority but it is a very substantial minority and it's a very loud, committed minority who are citizens of this country - they've conceded that we are leaving the EU that is what the referendum was about. They have every right to be considered in HOW and on what terms we leave the EU.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:57
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Yes 48b is a lesser number - yes it's the minority but it is a very substantial minority and it's a very loud, committed minority who are citizens of this country - they've conceded that we are leaving the EU that is what the referendum was about. They have every right to be considered in HOW and on what terms we leave the EU.
Everyone deserves to have their voice heard but we've decided on a course of action and everyone should accept it and get behind it and try and subtly steer it in their direction as much as possible via the proper channels.

I doubt anyone really expected us to decide to leave but i'll expect that if we EVER have another referendum it'll be at least a 2/3rd or 75% requirement just to ensure that theres no moaning (or very little)
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:10
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I hope she doesn't make the common mistake of assuming everyone who voted Remain are part of some sort of hive mind who are as fanatically pro-EU as the loud ones.
Too right, I'm contantly embarassed on here by people who voted the same way as me. Whether it's saying the people who voted the other way to me are xenophobic, thick or racist. They don't speak for me.
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:26
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Thats a wrong statement as when has 48% of something been more than 52%? now i'm no mathematical professor but unless it is exactly 50/50 down to the last vote then it cannot be seen as half the voting public!

I'm sure most of the pro EU here want us to learn German and move the base of the EU to Berlin and begin to see us all wearing jack boots etc
Half would be 50%, so the leave majority was only 2% = 600k votes out 34m cast, statistically irrelevant. Sadly, your offensive reference to Berlin and jackboots indicates the vacuum and prejudice that exists between your ears. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:13
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Half would be 50%, so the leave majority was only 2% = 600k votes out 34m cast, statistically irrelevant. Sadly, your offensive reference to Berlin and jackboots indicates the vacuum and prejudice that exists between your ears. You should be ashamed of yourself.
But if we'd remained in the EU by 2% would you of complained about the result?
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:00
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But if we'd remained in the EU by 2% would you of complained about the result?
According to Farage the exact same result percentages, but with remain winning, would most certainly have not been good enough and would have been "unfinished business" fortunately for him the percentages were the exact opposite of what he said would be unfinished business, so it became "independence day" instead,

what a fine upstanding and principled chap he... may have once met.
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:01
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...or by coming to a pragmatic and mutually advantageous economic arrangement such as that which Iceland, Norway and Switzerland already have with the EU. That combined with customs union membership and Associated Country status for scientific and technical cooperation purposes will all significantly reduce the economic costs of Brexit.
Yes, moving from half in, half out to half out half in would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, sense may not prevail.
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Old 03-01-2017, 00:06
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But if we'd remained in the EU by 2% would you of complained about the result?
Would you
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Old 03-01-2017, 00:46
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Those who had voted remain must be included in the A50 process as we leave the EU. As long as immigration is controlled, we leave the single market and get back sovereignty, then I think any leaver would be up for reasonable dicusssion around the economic and trade arrangements we have with the EU.

Immigration is a red line though.
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Old 03-01-2017, 01:28
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She is becoming queen of meaninglessness drivel!
Indeed.
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Old 03-01-2017, 01:33
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Those who had voted remain must be included in the A50 process as we leave the EU. As long as immigration is controlled, we leave the single market and get back sovereignty, then I think any leaver would be up for reasonable dicusssion around the economic and trade arrangements we have with the EU.

Immigration is a red line though.
Presumably, in a less generous mood, you would be quite happy with no discussion at all about economic and trade arrangements. To be honest, that is the position I most commonly hear from leavers.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:47
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Presumably, in a less generous mood, you would be quite happy with no discussion at all about economic and trade arrangements. To be honest, that is the position I most commonly hear from leavers.
Leave has no divine right tof be able to dictate the A50 process beyond those 3 issues which were campaigned on, and even then there isn't a monopoly on that either.

The future or every citizen is at stake, everyone who voted is entitled to a say. There is no being generous about it, remain has to accept leave won and those issues I have mentioned haaave to be acted upon. But that doesn't give anyonevidence in therror leave side the right to laud it over the rest of the he country.

Everyone who voted must be allowed the chance to have a say.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:06
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I didn't vote so I didn't care which way the event went

I just expected remain would win and we'd soon get the order that German is the default language of the EU and leather trousers are now in fashion.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:15
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You're probably a bit like my parents are when telling the time...12:00-12:15 its quarter past even if its pretty much just dinged the hour.

When we're doing this sort of legal things then there is not room for ambiguity and being pedantic....its down to cold hard logic and until we resurrect Einstein from the grave and he declares 48 is greater then 52 i'll still think a certain way.
No one has suggested that 48 is greater than 52. It is true though that the public were pretty evenly split over the EU, but with a slight preference for Leave. And I fully accept that that narrow majority vote has to be respected.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:58
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There is no mess. Work is going on and by March Article 50 will be triggered and we will be into the next stage.

Since the situation is unique we shall just have to be patient as events unfold. There are no experts on the subject because it is a one off. There are lots of gobby self-certificated "experts" whose opinions have no value at this stage.
Where does the resignation of the UK ambassador to the EU fall in this 'non messy' timeline I wonder?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:13
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Where does the resignation of the UK ambassador to the EU fall in this 'non messy' timeline I wonder?
Love it
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:23
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Where does the resignation of the UK ambassador to the EU fall in this 'non messy' timeline I wonder?
Where?, don't you mean when........ You are obviously taking it for granted that the overwhelming failure we call the EU will still there for us to hand any resignation to....
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:24
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Yes highly amusing........ Simple things and all that.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:27
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Sadly it's another Tory who appears to be unhappy with big sister, so, as it's not a Labour person it will have nothing at all to do with the beloved leader, blessed be her leather pants.

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Old 03-01-2017, 14:30
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Yes highly amusing........ Simple things and all that.
Awww bloody facts again eh?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:41
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Sadly it's another Tory who appears to be unhappy with big sister, so, as it's not a Labour person it will have nothing at all to do with the beloved leader, blessed be her leather pants.

There is no mess, remember

Queen May is doing just fine
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:03
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There is no mess, remember

Queen May is doing just fine
Indeed, but the tragedy is that The Opposition is an even bigger mess.

May has a completely free run to do whatever she wants. What passes for The Labour Party provides no scrutiny whatsoever. They are too self consumed blaming the media for their own hopeless situation.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:06
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WOW, imagine that? the man elected, twice, (that's two times more than the current leader of the Tory party) to lead the party formed to support the working class and the trades unions, actually supports the unions for standing by their members, quite a rare thing in the 'Labour' party these past few decades.
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Only they're not "standing by their members". They are involved in a political strike, nothing more nothing less and everyone with eyes can see it.

The Tories do not need party workers when they have Unions like ASLEF and RMT to do their recruiting for them. And Corbyn, of course.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:11
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Where does the resignation of the UK ambassador to the EU fall in this 'non messy' timeline I wonder?
Well according to him it would have been about 2027.
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