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Old 01-01-2017, 21:41
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It was a very powerful ending and left me feeling very disturbed. I wasn't sure I was going to miss them but now I just wish this was a bad dream.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:43
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A little off topic, AuntieSoap, but Corrie experimented with some weird 'gimmicks' in the early 70s. For instance, I remember one episode where Elsie Tanner fell into some kind of flashback/dream sequence with voiceover from Ena Sharples. They then played a black-and-white clip from 1961 as the 'dream sequence'. Another episode from around the same time had heavily stylised segments using backing music and close up shots of flowers with soft focus. In another episode, there were flashed images of a shot of Elsie's handbag which she had left on a park bench interspersed with the main action of the episode. All very avant garde

The point I'm making is that at times the soap genre will always try and push the boundaries of what is possible. Obviously the stuff that Corrie tried in the 70s didn't catch on at all, but people will still keep trying to 'freshen up' the genre.

Needless to say, you'd have hated it!

I've seen those episodes and watching them for the first time about 10 years ago make them hard to judge. I don't like the use of techniques like slo-mo as we saw tonight. It's hardly creative or avant garde, it's hackneyed and lazy.

However, when creativity is used appropriately it can be very interesting. The recent episode of Emmerdale featuring Ashley's dementia from his perspective should have been appalling and lazy, but because it was used to show us how he feels it ended up being very poignant.

I've often wondered why there have not been more attempts at creativity... for example how about an episode in one single take. An episode with full cast set entirely on one set? I'd much rather that than the latest crash or the latest explosion.

I guess at some stage one of them will allow viewers to vote on a storyline - should R&R live or die? It would lead to production difficulties but it's the ultimate stunt.

So back to those episodes of Corrie - fascinating now but there is a reason it didn't become a regular technique I suspect.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:46
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An amazing episode and WHAT a way to go out - easy to see why Sam and Rita felt the couldn't turn it down - a fitting end for the inseparable Mitchell sisters - and will be one that will be remembered for years to come- by killing them off at least we will be spared the contrived reasons for brief returns in the future like we had with Peggy and Grant - at least they went out wit a bang and not a wimper as they would have done if they left - we'd probably would ave ad a few years with them bobbing in until one day we never heard from them again,
Weren't they axed? I think that was hyperbole... they didn't get the choice to turn it down.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:49
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What a load of crap this was...the sisters should not have been the new year casualties, it should have been Lee's Suicide. The producer is just out to be the man that killed the Mitchell sisters regardless of the collateral damage on the show.

Thus, I'm bowing out of watching EE, it's done for me. You dun did it SOC, you killed it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:50
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What a load of crap this was...

Thus, I'm bowing out of watching EE, it's done for me.
That's nice.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:50
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I'm gutted, absolutely gutted! For two relatively iconic characters to get such a disastrous exit. It remind all me of whenever Pat Butcher died, simply for sensationalism, but instantly regretted within a week. I'll miss them. Eastenders just won't feel right without them for me, even tho though it was on air like 20+ years before they came into it.
I do honestly think they shouldn't have have been killed off, rested maybe but not killed. Im clutching at straws here but I'm really clutching at straws here, but I'm really hoping Roxy is pulled out alive or wakes up in the pool am doing she leave she to come back clean other day, by the now I'm a sure this won't happen
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:51
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Thanks, for sharing your opinion on an opinion, you may go back to bobbling for apples.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:55
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Doesn't clarify anything, I'm afraid. I understand and respect your opinion but disagree that it was 'completely out of place' in EastEnders. In my view it has a perfect place in the show, a gentle nod to things that viewers will already know about but not having any impact on those that don't. I would like to emphasise my use of the word gentle. All the nods and references to Ronnie and Roxy's time on the show were just that: gentle. I didn't really see them as contrivances. There are far more contrived goings on in most soaps these days, small moments like these are almost insignificant.

Where is the believable, character-led narrative though? That hasn't been a staple part of EastEnders or any other British soap for at least a decade now. I want solid characters and strong, character-driven drama. I agree with you that this is an integral part of British soap. This kind of writing is the only way to keep them grounded and not darting off to the realms of the absurd.

In my opinion, EastEnders has positioned itself in a firm middle-ground with this episode, producing something between 'shock' and 'explosive' drama and the more character-led elements. The deaths being fully accidental were, in my view, one of the main markers of this. No drawn out revenge plot, whodunnit or melodramatic fight on top of a building. Just two characters doing something that they really shouldn't have which ended in tragedy. It could've happened to any one of us if the circumstances were dangerous enough. To me that's far more powerful than an explosion every other week that has no lasting impact.
Agreed, their ending was a very human tragedy story that could happen to any one of us in similar circumstances. I was surprised to find people saying how absurd it was, when actually I thought it's one of the more realistic deaths on EastEnders for years. The random way it all happened, just a few seconds of madness and gone, it was harrowing to watch.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:56
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The amount of ignorance people have about water safety... actually scratch that... about common sense is terrifying. People questioning the realism of a very drunk person drowning or focusssing on the depth of the water like they think that's a contributing factor is scary. I pray these people never have kids, drink alcohol, go to a pool, or have ponds in their gardens.
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:57
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What a load of crap this was...the sisters should not have been the new year casualties, it should have been Lee's Suicide. The producer is just out to be the man that killed the Mitchell sisters regardless of the collateral damage on the show.

Thus, I'm bowing out of watching EE, it's done for me. You dun did it SOC, you killed it.
I too am done with the show, I shall be watching Neighbours instead

I still would like to know though who producers are answerable to when axing characters and so on?
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Old 01-01-2017, 21:58
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In my opinion I thought the slow-mo was quite appropriate I didn't realise until after the episode why most of the slow-mo parts were on Roxy I think this symbolised how she was high and partying and I think having it in slow motion showed the emotion better.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:00
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Agreed, their ending was a very human tragedy story that could happen to any one of us in similar circumstances. I was surprised to find people saying how absurd it was, when actually I thought it's one of the more realistic deaths on EastEnders for years. The random way it all happened, just a few seconds of madness and gone, it was harrowing to watch.
Fair point. However, if realism was the aim why was it so stylised?

We got very little sense of Ronnie's panic and fear as she must have realised that Roxy had drowned and that she was trapped. If it had been done in a more realistic approach it might have had an emotional impact. As it is I felt much more for Lee.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:00
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I've seen those episodes and watching them for the first time about 10 years ago make them hard to judge. I don't like the use of techniques like slo-mo as we saw tonight. It's hardly creative or avant garde, it's hackneyed and lazy.

However, when creativity is used appropriately it can be very interesting. The recent episode of Emmerdale featuring Ashley's dementia from his perspective should have been appalling and lazy, but because it was used to show us how he feels it ended up being very poignant.

I've often wondered why there have not been more attempts at creativity... for example how about an episode in one single take. An episode with full cast set entirely on one set? I'd much rather that than the latest crash or the latest explosion.

I guess at some stage one of them will allow viewers to vote on a storyline - should R&R live or die? It would lead to production difficulties but it's the ultimate stunt.

So back to those episodes of Corrie - fascinating now but there is a reason it didn't become a regular technique I suspect.
The episode were Ian went bankrupt was filmed as though it was one single take. There was also an episode with the entire cast locked in the Queen Vic set with an unexploded bomb outside.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:02
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In my opinion I thought the slow-mo was quite appropriate I didn't realise until after the episode why most of the slow-mo parts were on Roxy I think this symbolised how she was high and partying and I think having it in slow motion showed the emotion better.
What emotion does slo-mo evoke? Also none of it was from Roxy's POV. To me it's a gimmick.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:04
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If Masood and the Cokers were deemed worthy of Julia's Themes how do Roxy and Ronnie not?
They had a different theme played over Tuesdays, the last episode ending with them happy.

It's also very possible they'll get it on their funeral episode, as happened with Bradley.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:04
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We got very little sense of Ronnie's panic and fear as she must have realised that Roxy had drowned and that she was trapped.
To be honest, even just visualising that in my head, I think it would have been too distressing to show. As it was, it was haunting.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:05
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The episode were Ian went bankrupt was filmed as though it was one single take. There was also an episode with the entire cast locked in the Queen Vic set with an unexploded bomb outside.
I remember the Ian episode and it was focused entirely on him and his increasing panic. I don't think it was a single take but it was a creative episode.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:06
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Agreed, their ending was a very human tragedy story that could happen to any one of us in similar circumstances. I was surprised to find people saying how absurd it was, when actually I thought it's one of the more realistic deaths on EastEnders for years. The random way it all happened, just a few seconds of madness and gone, it was harrowing to watch.
That's what got to me. The speed of it all, and it was very harrowing
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:07
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What emotion does slo-mo evoke? Also none of it was from Roxy's POV. To me it's a gimmick.
It showed how Roxy at that point was having the time of her life, if it wasn't in slow-motion you wouldn't notice the emotion as much.

This is the main part where the slow-mo takes place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7NAlqNyU_k

It was at this moment when Roxy was at her happiest that I knew something was going to happen to her drugs related.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:10
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It showed how Roxy at that point was having the time of her life, if it wasn't in slow-motion you wouldn't notice the emotion as much.

This is the main part where the slow-mo takes place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7NAlqNyU_k

It was at this moment when Roxy was at her happiest that I knew something was going to happen to her drugs related.
So that couldn't have been done with performance? It was a lazy effect. Trainspotting was 20 years ago.

Why did that scene warrant such an artificial effect and not an effect for the truth dawning on Mick? Inconsistent and unnecessary.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:11
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They had a different theme played over Tuesdays, the last episode ending with them happy.

It's also very possible they'll get it on their funeral episode, as happened with Bradley.
I have a feeling we may see 2 corpses tomorrow evening.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:19
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If Masood and the Cokers were deemed worthy of Julia's Themes how do Roxy and Ronnie not?
Why do people still struggle to understand the use of Julia's Theme - It is nothing to do with whether a character is worthy or not - but whether the duff'duff are appropriate for the ending or not - yes tonight's episode would have been spoiled by the duff-duffs - but would also have been spoiled by Julia's theme - the simple fade to black and silent credits was more appropriate with the ending and theme of the episode.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:22
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It was completely out of place in EastEnders. The promo you mention was just that a promo, not part of the show. Now the main show is referencing it's past promos? Too much focus on this sort contrivance than on believable, character led narrative.
It was a character-led scene. Ronnie and Roxy spent years in Ibiza and the scene was to capture and showcase that part of their characters at Ronnie's wedding.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:22
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I hated the ending as I felt both characters had more to offer and it would have been nice to see them return in the future. Also I felt curious about Roxy and Max as they may have made a good couple.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:22
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Thanks, for sharing your opinion on an opinion, you may go back to bobbling for apples.
You were suggesting the show would die without you watching
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