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Old 01-01-2017, 23:06
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It was an amazing episode with the way it was filmed and the silent credits....BUT... I'm sorry, two women would not have drowned like that in a pool that they could stand up in. Roxy wasn't high on drugs and wasn't blind drunk. All Ronnie had to do was stand up. If you are going to kill them off, at least make their deaths believable.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:10
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I've just watched it again and when Ronnie was in the water trying to rescue Roxy, the top of the water definitely looked quite a bit higher than people are trying to make out. Even without the dress weight (and possibly treading on the length and being unable to get a foothold) and adding blind panic into the mix, I doubt her head would have broken the surface simply from standing up.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:13
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I've just watched it again and when Ronnie was in the water trying to rescue Roxy, the top of the water definitely looked quite a bit higher than people are trying to make out. Even without the dress weight (and possibly treading on the length and being unable to get a foothold) and adding blind panic into the mix, I doubt her head would have broken the surface simply from standing up.
I agree, it wasn't a teaching pool, it was deep enough for Ronnie to dive into and it was clear that her arms were tangled up in the dress preventing her from getting to the surface.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:13
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I've just watched it again and when Ronnie was in the water trying to rescue Roxy, the top of the water definitely looked quite a bit higher than people are trying to make out. Even without the dress weight (and possibly treading on the length and being unable to get a foothold) and adding blind panic into the mix, I doubt her head would have broken the surface simply from standing up.
We all see different things/angles. To me the water surface is only a short distance above Ronnie. If she could have stood up, then to me it would seem to be around lower chest height. But, as I say everyone has a different take on it. Perhaps in later episodes it will be explained how they got into trouble.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:23
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They don't have random things on the bottom of a swimming pool. They showed the dress/veil going over her face, that's fine it would happen, but she could still stand. This is how stupid the whole thing was. Fine if that is the way it was written, but make it believable.
I watched the part of the episode again. At 50:56 you can clearly see there is something at the bottom of the pool.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:29
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I thought it was brilliant, you could hear a pin drop while my mum and I was watching it, we were both silent and then looked at each other after the silent credits rolled.

The only disappointment for me was that it was spoiled by whatever rag newspaper who revealed the exact details of their deaths and then it became common knowledge on here. I wish I'd known to stay off the forum for it, but oh well. I just wish it had been a surprise because it would have been amazing.

With respect, I do think some people on here are overreacting in their disappointment in how they died. I wouldn't say two fictional characters being axed and killed off 'disgusting', I'd probably reserve that for real immoral behaviour, like abusers, especially child abusers.

I just read through the episode thread and I lost count how many times I saw people question how they drowned, for someone to answer then rinse and repeat.
Roxy was drunk and possibly on drugs, she might have hit her head when she jumped in. Ronnie was also drunk and she was wearing a heavy wedding dress that she was struggling to take off before she realised Roxy was in trouble. She jumped in but the dress enveloped her and she couldn't get free. She didn't stand up because it probably didn't occur to her in her panic and she was more concerned with getting free from the dress that had wrapped around her and saving Roxy. It's a tragic accident, but it does happen in real life, especially where alcohol is involved. I can't wait to watch the next episode where they're discovered and see everyone's reaction.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:31
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Thank ****ing god they're finally dead, now I'll be spared the repetitive drama of Roxy sleeping with all of Ronnie's husbands. A fitting death for the evil ice maiden Ronnie I'd say. All hail SOC, he's a legend in my book. Two less Mitchells to worry about.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:32
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Does anyone know what the song and who singer was that played when Ronnie walked down "the aisle" at the wedding venue?
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:40
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It was an absolutely incredible episode, brilliantly acted throughout and the ending was so tragic and chilling.....however I'm so gutted Ronnie and Roxy were killed off. Certainly for me Ronnie and Roxy are iconic EE characters who I've grown up with and I can't believe they've been killed off like this. I know shows move on etc but imo having them both die with no way of returning is going to be seen as a huge mistake in the future. Neither actress wanted to leave and there was so much both characters could offer. The show for me and many others won't be the same.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:43
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I've just watched it again and when Ronnie was in the water trying to rescue Roxy, the top of the water definitely looked quite a bit higher than people are trying to make out. Even without the dress weight (and possibly treading on the length and being unable to get a foothold) and adding blind panic into the mix, I doubt her head would have broken the surface simply from standing up.
I agree.

That dress would have wrapped itself round everything, her feet as well as her head.

Another issue, has anybody fallen over when drunk because I have. You can be fine standing and walking but once on the ground, it can be bloody hard to get back up as your limbs just seem to fail you and your balance is off. You have to yse your hands to push yourself up iff the ground, possibly grabbing something above you to lever yourself up. Ronnie had nothing to grab hold off. She was too far from the side. Then imagine trying to do that with the weight of water around and above you? Not to mention the dress. The water was possibly cold as well if they don't have it heated constantly.

I thought it was made quite clear that they were drunk, not just tipsy, from their conversations and stumbling around, including Ronnie dropping the shoe and being unable to undo her dress whilst at the side of the pool.
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Old 01-01-2017, 23:56
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I'm sad to see them go because it really does feel like the end of an era. But I think Roxy was destined to make the same mistakes over and over - and Ronnie, although never triuly paying for her psycho actions over the years, needed to exit.

I think they did a good job to paying homage to the vision these characters were originally and how they were introduced. Essentially recreating the 2007 Mitchell Sister trailer, using the same Calvin Harris song, was a nice touch - and shot brilliantly. In fact, the whole final 10 minutes had some stunning direction and visuals.

Their death scene was tragically fitting for their characters though. Roxy gets into trouble and has to be rescued by her sister. And Ronnie has her final seconds of life in despair knowing yet someone else she loved is dead...
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:09
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Does anyone know what the song and who singer was that played when Ronnie walked down "the aisle" at the wedding venue?
True Companion by Marc Cohn. I Shazam'd when I watched again.
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:27
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True Companion by Marc Cohn. I Shazam'd when I watched again.
Thanks, it sounded like Marc Cohn, remembering his voice from "Walking in Memphis", but I couldn't find anything listed in the credits.
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:41
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I found it particularly poor and an insult to the legacy the actresses have created. Ronnie Mitchell has overcome huge life threatening obstacles in the 10 years such as the New Year's Day crash a couple of years ago but is defeated by a SWIMMING POOL?
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:49
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If you look at it as an independent piece of television, it was great. Well shot and haunting.

But that being the end of the Mitchell sisters? Na. The deaths were so unnecessary and almost shoehorned in? I don't get why Roxy was on the bottom of the pool? Did she hit her head?

Also, how will that death ever be explained? Finding the bodies would just be so unclear what happened.
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrK3l4CU7us
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:14
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I only tuned in because of their exit. Ludicrous idea to kill them off both after Peggy's death. The Mitchell ladies were always the most interesting part of the show to me. Unless there's some master plan involving Glenda, it's a very pitiful demise of that branch of the Mitchell family tree.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:40
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I thought the episode, and in particular Ronnie and Roxy's ending, was brilliant. Nothing leaves an impression like a genuinely shocking soap death, and this definitely hit the high levels with the likes of Sarah Barnes, Yvonne Atkins (not technically a soap death, but certainly deserves a mention), and so on. It was uncomfortable to watch in that felt very human the way it happened. So many tragic accidental deaths occur as a result of alcohol.

I get the point from some about the flashy shots being OTT, and normally I'm against all that in a soap, but I felt it worked effectively here. I also love that this new Exec has come in and axed two of the biggest characters. It shows balls, plus I really feel, as great as they've been and as iconic as they are, that their time had come to a natural end.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:47
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I also love that this new Exec has come in and axed two of the biggest characters. It shows balls, plus I really feel, as great as they've been and as iconic as they are, that their time had come to a natural end.
If he had balls he would have axed Phil, what does he have to give
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:48
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If he had balls he would have axed Phil, what does he have to give
True, but then we can't expect miracles.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:51
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If he does write Phil out he'll probably have been die by electrocution by sticking a fork into a toaster trying to dislodge a slice of toast. Something else terribly inconsequential.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:38
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Haven't watched Eastenders in years, but watched tonights episode.

Even though the storylines were awful, the final 10 minutes were amazing; the cinematography when Ronnie's dress slowly engulfed her was beautifully disturbing. The final shot of Rox and Ron floating on the surface was so disturbing and chilling.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:49
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If he does write Phil out he'll probably have been die by electrocution by sticking a fork into a toaster trying to dislodge a slice of toast. Something else terribly inconsequential.
Even if the US military shoved a ten megaton thermonuclear bomb right up his fat arse and safely detonated it from 10 miles away in a nuclear blast- proof bunker he would still survive intact according to TBTB.

He should have been killed by Steve Owen in 2001.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:56
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I liked how it was done, some great camera work and editing with Jack's story time made it even better.

No doubt it was disturbing though, i can't imagine that it won't get complaints because of the watershed.
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Old 02-01-2017, 03:21
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I got married not so long ago and while trying dresses on I got really claustrophobic in them, i know that sounds ridiculous but it's true, they're so fitted and heavy that they're really diffucult to remove, I actually got stuck in one I tried at home - couldn't get it down or up and over my head haha had to shout my daughter who was thankfully home! It was funny but watching that tonight made me think how terrifying it would be to be immersed in water in one, imagine the weight of that dress wet, it'd be like a full washing load before spin cycle.
It looks as though there was some kind of vent in the middle of the pool, I wonder if the pool is set to auto filter or something when the pool is closed and this creates a suction, Roxy's dress got possibly dragged into the filter and she was trapped and Ronnie's dress wrapped itself round her face and neck probably causing her to panic possible wrapping herself further in the dress, how terrifying that sounds! But if she then tried to swim then the dress would be far too heavy and she exhausted her energy and air supply fighting with it.
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