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Old 02-01-2017, 09:33
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Yes, the infamous pro Tory BBC
Well the previous political editor was the former leader of the Young Conservatives, and the current one is most famous for being allegedly anti-Corbyn.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:35
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Anyone who was watching the EU referendum results show post Sunderland must have thought they were watching a funeral broadcast. Surprised they didn't all have a wardrobe change during a news break and come back wearing black. When it was announced leave had won Laura Kuenssberg was almost in tears and it was negative from then on - the first reaction coming from Emily Thornberry.

The BBC may try to be impartial but the liberal pro EU London centric bias of most of its presenters bar Andrew Neil just shines through
That's the major problem with the BBC, they peer out at the world from inside their London media, liberal elite bubble and can't even imagine there might even be people in the real world with a different viewpoint. At least if people do have a different view to the one dimensional BBC then they must be wrong.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:41
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That's the major problem with the BBC, they peer out at the world from inside their London media, liberal elite bubble and can't even imagine there might even be people in the real world with a different viewpoint. At least if people do have a different view to the one dimensional BBC then they must be wrong.
https://biasedbbc.org
There is no "major problem", as the BBC does not have a single viewpoint. It airs many different views.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:43
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Anyone who thinks the BBC is impartial should compare their coverage of the death of Baroness Thatcher to their coverage of Fidel Castro's demise. They had not one good word to say about Margaret Thatcher.
Here's how her obituary page on the BBC News site begins:

Margaret Thatcher, who has died following a stroke, was one of the most influential political figures of the 20th Century.

Her legacy had a profound effect upon the policies of her successors, both Conservative and Labour, while her radical and sometimes confrontational approach defined her 11-year period at No 10.

Her term in office saw thousands of ordinary voters gaining a stake in society, buying their council houses and eagerly snapping up shares in the newly privatised industries such as British Gas and BT.

But her rejection of consensus politics made her a divisive figure and opposition to her policies and her style of government led eventually to rebellion inside her party and unrest on the streets.
Which seems meticulously balanced to me.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:46
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[QUdOTE=onecitizen;85025204]That's the major problem with the BBC, they peer out at the world from inside their London media, liberal elite bubble and can't even imagine there might even be people in the real world with a different viewpoint. At least if people do have a different view to the one dimensional BBC then they must be wrong.
https://biasedbbc.org[/quote]

It's hard to express. what a dumb ass thread this is.

It's akin to Brexshitters complaining about economics professors at universities with EU funding having the temerity to form a view.

People would have to be educationally sub normal not to realise that the EU funds all manner of public institutions in the same way that it funds Cornwall to the tune if billions; that's what the EU is SUPPOSED to do

You may as well suggest that all Cornish should have been debarred from voting thanks to their obvious EU bias... Err, hang on, how did Cornwall vote again?



Well, that's your theory screwed then.

And for Christ sake, give it a rest with the "liberal, london elitist where the **** did I leave my tin foil hat" sh1te already.

And the very fact that the OP "reads" let alone believes the Daily Express should debar him from voting.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:48
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Anyone who thinks the BBC is impartial should compare their coverage of the death of Baroness Thatcher to their coverage of Fidel Castro's demise. They had not one good word to say about Margaret Thatcher.

For them to deny that Corbyn has done great damage to the Labour Party's future prospects would be stretching credibilty just a little too far.

The BBC is a bunch of metropolitan upper class socialists.
The death of Thatcher was a one week free party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party., so I don't know what coverage you were watching.

The BBC lost all pretence of impartiality in the Scottish referendum, from Nick Robinson's outright lies to discussion programmes with 3 unionists vs one independence person, not mentioning all the ordering of news and bias by omission.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:48
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Anyone who thinks the BBC is impartial should compare their coverage of the death of Baroness Thatcher to their coverage of Fidel Castro's demise. They had not one good word to say about Margaret Thatcher.

For them to deny that Corbyn has done great damage to the Labour Party's future prospects would be stretching credibilty just a little too far.
As an impartial broadcaster, the BBC is not supposed to have any political views of its own, so you wouldn't expect it to say something either good or bad about Thatcher or Corbyn.

The BBC is a bunch of metropolitan upper class socialists.
Well, no. It probably has far more middle-class liberals than "upper class socialists", though I can't actually think of any examples of the latter. It employs a fair number of Tories too of course.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:10
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The Express are so confident of reeling in the gullible that they basically just re-print the same story. In the OP's link it says 'after it emerged' when the Express themselves reported it in 2015. And it was no more of a story then.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/628...-to-referendum
The Express has "re-discovered" this story many times over the last few years. The exact same story is covered by the paper on a regular basis and every time they do it they make out they've uncovered something new.

As others have mentioned, the Research & Development funding is primarily to help the BBC develop broadcasting/transmission technology which is then shared around the rest of the EU. That's exactly the kind of project you'd expect the EU to undertake. When the UK finally leaves the EU, the funding will undoubtedly stop and the EU will have to find another broadcaster to continue the research.

The BBC's impartial news coverage will remain independent from the EU regardless of any of the above.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:16
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That's the major problem with the BBC, they peer out at the world from inside their London media, liberal elite bubble and can't even imagine there might even be people in the real world with a different viewpoint. At least if people do have a different view to the one dimensional BBC then they must be wrong.
https://biasedbbc.org
It's hard to express. what a dumb ass thread this is.

It's akin to Brexshitters complaining about economics professors at universities with EU funding having the temerity to form a view.

People would have to be educationally sub normal not to realise that the EU funds all manner of public institutions in the same way that it funds Cornwall to the tune if billions; that's what the EU is SUPPOSED to do

You may as well suggest that all Cornish should have been debarred from voting thanks to their obvious EU bias... Err, hang on, how did Cornwall vote again?



Well, that's your theory screwed then.

And for Christ sake, give it a rest with the "liberal, london elitist where the **** did I leave my tin foil hat" sh1te already.

And the very fact that the OP "reads" let alone believes the Daily Express should debar him from voting.


Quotes are screwed. Response here, Beanybun:

Seems to me that Cornwall is an example of why people voted to leave. I've only looked into their situation in passing, but weren't huge amounts of money horribly squandered, and the residents subsequently robbed of its benefits? I was looking into Cornwall to see if it was big on the leadership training. Turns out it is, and it also looks like they've got the money issues that follow the leadership training about. Imagine my surprise. The BBC is the station that's renowned for using this training. Of course there is bias created by this. It changes people.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:50
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Quotes are screwed. Response here, Beanybun:

Seems to me that Cornwall is an example of why people voted to leave. I've only looked into their situation in passing, but weren't huge amounts of money horribly squandered, and the residents subsequently robbed of its benefits? I was looking into Cornwall to see if it was big on the leadership training. Turns out it is, and it also looks like they've got the money issues that follow the leadership training about. Imagine my surprise. The BBC is the station that's renowned for using this training. Of course there is bias created by this. It changes people.
Well, the extend of the investment isn't disputed, those who say it's "our money" reinvested are daft (if so, why weren't we investing "our" money over many decades when Cornwall had the highest suicide rate in the country). Where money is spent people always cry foul and claim it could be spent better. In other news, water is wet and haters will hate.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:02
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Well, the extend of the investment isn't disputed, those who say it's "our money" reinvested are daft (if so, why weren't we investing "our" money over many decades when Cornwall had the highest suicide rate in the country). Where money is spent people always cry foul and claim it could be spent better. In other news, water is wet and haters will hate.
I'm not saying we shouldn't spend "our money" on them. I'm getting at the fact that people are prepared to forego it to send a message: they are tired of the illusion. The money is always squandered where the leadership training exists -- its founder even extols the virtues of the Useful Idiot. Once they are involved, there is a kind of brainwashing, and everything starts to go wrong. It'd be worth looking at the BBC's failed schemes and the people behind them, as well as considering why Alan Yentob was so enamoured with Camila Batmanghelidjh.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:03
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You can choose to buy The Daily Express. You have to pay for the BBC.
Different argument.
Do try to keep to the point.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:07
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The BBC really does need to get out of it's left wing comfort zone, if it doesn't it's credibility which is already dented will be destroyed forever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/1...e-and-give-us/
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:14
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I wish this forum could make up its mind whether the BBC is left-wing or right-wing biased.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:16
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I'm not saying we shouldn't spend "our money" on them. I'm getting at the fact that people are prepared to forego it to send a message: they are tired of the illusion. The money is always squandered where the leadership training exists -- its founder even extols the virtues of the Useful Idiot. Once they are involved, there is a kind of brainwashing, and everything starts to go wrong. It'd be worth looking at the BBC's failed schemes and the people behind them, as well as considering why Alan Yentob was so enamoured with Camila Batmanghelidjh.
Sure, there's a liberalism (small l!) implicit in the BBC; do you really want your media to look like Fox, or Breitbart? They don't have "failed" schemes because they don't run "schemes" at all; they neither fund nor want them, as tends to be the case with those exhibiting far right, fascistic tendencies. You can't improve as a society unless you improvise, change, explore and question. This Isn't unique to broadcasting, or say the NHS, it applies equally to life.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:20
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I wish this forum could make up its mind whether the BBC is left-wing or right-wing biased.
All those people who voted either Conservative or UKIP, 15 million of them, have every right to feel angry that the BBC is blatantly oppresses their political viewpoint.
They must wonder why they are forced to pay the TV Tax.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:21
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:22
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The BBC really does need to get out of it's left wing comfort zone, if it doesn't it's credibility which is already dented will be destroyed forever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/1...e-and-give-us/
You need to get out of your right wing deluded zone. Every single source that is pulled up has no credibility. First the Express now the Torygraph?
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:22
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I wish this forum could make up its mind whether the BBC is left-wing or right-wing biased.
The BBC is biased to the left and to the right. It's biased in favour of leaving the EU and in favour of remaining in the EU. It's biased towards Corbyn and against Corbyn, etc etc. (Insert any issue you like here).

In other words, people with very strong views will always feel the BBC is biased against them because the BBC isn't the echo chamber they want it to be.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:24
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All those people who voted either Conservative or UKIP, 15 million of them, have every right to feel angry that the BBC is blatantly oppresses their political viewpoint.
They must wonder why they are forced to pay the TV Tax.
Conservative and Ukip views are so suppressed that their spokespeople are never interviewed on TV or radio, and Nigel Farage is never seen on the BBC. Or am I thinking of some alternative universe?
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:29
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All those people who voted either Conservative or UKIP, 15 million of them, have every right to feel angry that the BBC is blatantly oppresses their political viewpoint.
They must wonder why they are forced to pay the TV Tax.
How are the political viewpoints of the Conservative Party and UKIP being blatantly oppressed by the BBC?
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:32
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How are the political viewpoints of the Conservative Party and UKIP being blatantly oppressed by the BBC?
The UKIP viewpoint is suppressed by having it presented all the time by fruitcakes and nut cases like Farage and Nuttall. It makes 5/6 of the population see them as a bad joke.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:36
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Sure, there's a liberalism (small l!) implicit in the BBC; do you really want your media to look like Fox, or Breitbart? They don't have "failed" schemes because they don't run "schemes" at all; they neither fund nor want them, as tends to be the case with those exhibiting far right, fascistic tendencies. You can't improve as a society unless you improvise, change, explore and question. This Isn't unique to broadcasting, or say the NHS, it applies equally to life.
No, I don't really want any kind of bias, but, right now, I prefer their brand to that hiding behind the false face of tolerance, whilst creaming off the money and furthering a questionable agenda. The national broadcaster should not be going anywhere near someone like Common Purpose.

You can't improve a society if you exploit the Chatham House Rule.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:40
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All those people who voted either Conservative or UKIP, 15 million of them, have every right to feel angry that the BBC is blatantly oppresses their political viewpoint.
They must wonder why they are forced to pay the TV Tax.
For a broadcaster than "oppresses their viewpoint", the BBC seem to give a Farage (and his ilk) a disproprotionate platform to spout his views. He seems to be on Question Time every other week. If that's "oppressing" a viewpoint, I wonder how they treat someone they agree with.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:44
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The BBC really does need to get out of it's left wing comfort zone, if it doesn't it's credibility which is already dented will be destroyed forever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/1...e-and-give-us/
You need to get out of your right wing deluded zone. Every single source that is pulled up has no credibility. First the Express now the Torygraph?
To be fair to the Telegraph, at least its sub-editors know how to use apostrophes.
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