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Old 02-01-2017, 15:07
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But if the source is right and the article is true, then it do not matter where the story comes from. It is not about the source or the fact it comes from the Express, you do and other pro-BBCers do not like it because it once again shows what the BBC is.

BTY, i do not read the Express, i do not read any newspaper apart from a local one.
I read the article. It's a non-story, regardless of how many bloviating buffoons the useless hack who wrote it can find to be outraged about things they don't understand.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:18
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The BBC really does need to get out of it's left wing comfort zone, if it doesn't it's credibility which is already dented will be destroyed forever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/1...e-and-give-us/
Oh for a BBC with any wings, rather than that stodgy immensely overstaffed and money sucking blob. That seeks to stifle all under "its" view on what is right and wrong and what we should be allowed to know. I could go on but posting a picture of the Dodo instead.

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Old 02-01-2017, 15:18
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Yeah. You've got it. You probably understand what's going on better by finding something on the Internet, rather than working for a council that insisted on positioning CP members in jobs, who were put there with an objective of expanding the cult and to enforce CP-type schemes and to give contracts to CP friends and to steal money and land, and give it to CP-trained developers, and then appoint 'independent' CP-trained investigators (and, you know, it probably really helps if the head of the police investigating you was appointed by you).

It's probably far more plausible that I'm psychic, and that's why Mishcon de Reya's website was exactly what I was expecting. Not just that there's this relentless pattern...
Sorry the job isn't working/hasn't worked out, though with all due respect councils are a money pit, in dire need of extensive internal reform.

And judging from this post you appear to have at least some CT issues. It seems that these days it's a short step between a work reorganisation, and the conclusion that any negative outcome or resultant criticism must be attributable to some bizarre octopus like conspiracy.

Do you think that CP is run by the Freemasons, or the Rothschild bankers?

Not sure what MdR have to do with any of this, save that they have a well oiled publicity machine, are successful and have a vaguely "freemasony/Rothchildy" name. Are they part of the conspiracy too?
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:20
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But if the source is right and the article is true, then it do not matter where the story comes from. It is not about the source or the fact it comes from the Express, you do and other pro-BBCers do not like it because it once again shows what the BBC is.
But the article isn't true. What these hack journalists do is find some basic information (in this case the widely known fact that the BBC receives funding to conduct technical research for the EU) and then they extrapolate a complete unsupported theory out of it.

Where is their evidence that the technical research project has any influence over the BBC's editorial impartiality? There is none! And yet you believe the theory without appearing to ask any questions about it.

the difference here is that people can choose to pay for any newspaper and for sky, something that is difficult to do with the BBC.
It's quite easy not to pay for the BBC. But your statement misses the big picture - are you saying it's OK for journalists to twist facts and make up stories so long as we have the choice whether to pay for their product or not?

Don't we have the right to expect journalists by the very nature of their profession to be impartial and report the facts responsibly? Obviously not.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:29
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But if the source is right and the article is true, then it do not matter where the story comes from. It is not about the source or the fact it comes from the Express, you do and other pro-BBCers do not like it because it once again shows what the BBC is.

BTY, i do not read the Express, i do not read any newspaper apart from a local one.
You mean you do like it because the source agrees with your opinion on the BBC.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:35
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The BBC editorial staff is saturated with Guardianistas. If there is any internal bias in an organisation it is nigh impossible to purge it without some government intervention, which then leads "impartial broadcasters" to claim government oppression.

"We must maintain our neutrality!" the broadcasters squeel in delight.

As they caress their EU flags and slip into their Socialist slippers.
The idea of the BBC as a hotbed of socialism is quite amusing.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:54
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Bias usually means "they report the side of the argument I don't agree with".
Got it in one!
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:27
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Sorry the job isn't working/hasn't worked out, though with all due respect councils are a money pit, in dire need of extensive internal reform.

And judging from this post you appear to have at least some CT issues. It seems that these days it's a short step between a work reorganisation, and the conclusion that any negative outcome or resultant criticism must be attributable to some bizarre octopus like conspiracy.

Do you think that CP is run by the Freemasons, or the Rothschild bankers?

Not sure what MdR have to do with any of this, save that they have a well oiled publicity machine, are successful and have a vaguely "freemasony/Rothchildy" name. Are they part of the conspiracy too?
Oh. Dear. God. Poor inferential skills are so exhausting and it seems like the world would benefit from a little more Asperger's, as details seem to just, like, require so much effort. Yes, other councils are struggling. Have you looked at why that is? Even today, there's a story about the CP-millstone around our necks helping itself to yet another half-million when they said it would cost £0 and there is not a pot to piss in.

Anyway, I don't really know how to convey the sheer scale of what's been going on, so let's restrict it to why Mishcon de Reya set off alarm bells for now. I'm trying to get to the bottom of some of the corruption in a short amount of time, so I've put together a shortlist of words that give away the training in the Council (they actually go as far as to ask officers to change their reports to make sure they're using key phrases):

Vision
Collaboration
Challenges
Partnership
Strategic
Engagement
Sustainability
Robust

and sometimes the words "common purpose" will feature.

In more social-care-related institutions, e.g. Kids Company, there's more emphasis on keywords like the following:
Empowerment
Inclusion
Citizenship
Diversity

Anyway, one of the main areas of corruption is in the sale of land. In one notable instance, they managed to get around the public knowing what was going on by means of the Chatham House Rule, which is a device used by Common Purpose graduates. The land involved was part of a university, and closer inspection reveals that apparently 'leadership training' was deemed important to the staff who look after the billion-pound estates. Hey, who knew how much leadership that type of job would involve? It appears the developers are also highly concerned with leadership and diversity and collaboration and loving one another. I mean, laying bricks and stuff -- it's just, like, got so many layers. If you look closely, you can also see how much the company given the contract for refurbishing council houses or those who were gifted gap sites or other development opportunities are into leading and loving one another and tolerance. It just... It just makes your heart burst with joy and love... Well, because of all the philanthropy, the director who'd announced his intention to spent more money on CP training (when we were already secretly bankrupt) decided to invite in those developers and tell them they could have the greenbelt land, without even bothering to go through the protocols and that restrictive law thing...

Awww, and now that kindly Mishcon de Reya firm want to show the developers how much they love them and want to help them in collaborate with the local authorities. It's just so... It's just so freaking lovely to see people care about each other so much... Sniff...


https://www.mishcon.com/collaboratory
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:29
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I read the article. It's a non-story, regardless of how many bloviating buffoons the useless hack who wrote it can find to be outraged about things they don't understand.
it is a non story because you do not agree with it
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:33
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But the article isn't true. What these hack journalists do is find some basic information (in this case the widely known fact that the BBC receives funding to conduct technical research for the EU) and then they extrapolate a complete unsupported theory out of it.

Where is their evidence that the technical research project has any influence over the BBC's editorial impartiality? There is none! And yet you believe the theory without appearing to ask any questions about it.
But it is true that the BBc have had money from the E.U? so do you think that maybe, just maybe that money have had some influence on what the BBC thinks of the E.U and how they broadcast stories about the E.U?


It's quite easy not to pay for the BBC. But your statement misses the big picture - are you saying it's OK for journalists to twist facts and make up stories so long as we have the choice whether to pay for their product or not?

Don't we have the right to expect journalists by the very nature of their profession to be impartial and report the facts responsibly? Obviously not.
So you believe everything that BBC journalist broadcasts, do you not think that some of their facts could be twisted or is the BBc perfect in your eyes?

As for getting out of paying for the BBC yes you can, but you are on the TVL hit list if you do and you can not watch any other live TV.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:36
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You mean you do like it because the source agrees with your opinion on the BBC.
I never said i liked it, just stating the fact that it don't matter where the story came from, if it is true, then it is true.
My opinion on the BBC do not matter, i have always known that the BBC is not impartial.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:51
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But it is true that the BBc have had money from the E.U? so do you think that maybe, just maybe that money have had some influence on what the BBC thinks of the E.U and how they broadcast stories about the E.U?
But they get much, much more money from the licence fee. Which our pro-Brexit government is currently in charge of. So why would the tiny amount of EU grant funding cause them to be biased in favour of the EU?
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:52
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i have always known that the BBC is not impartial.
That's an opinion and one you seem perfectly happy to use any source as confirmation bias.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:52
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But it is true that the BBc have had money from the E.U? so do you think that maybe, just maybe that money have had some influence on what the BBC thinks of the E.U and how they broadcast stories about the E.U?
UKIP gets loadsamoney from the EU. Do you think that could make UKIP a pro-EU organisation? Do you think it influences how UKIP views the EU. If not, why should the BBC be influenced by a little research money?
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:54
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I wish this forum could make up its mind whether the BBC is left-wing or right-wing biased.
News and politics is full of right wingers with pressure from the government, although they have given UKIP a disproportionate amount of airtime.

Interviewers such as Andrew Marr have been known to constantly interrupt Labour MPs to question everything they say and stop them explaining, while allowing the likes of Farage & IDS uninterrupted airtime to make comments which have later been disproved.

Question Time usually has a Tory, a UKIPPER and a journalist from a right wing newspaper. The left-wing panelist slot is usually given to a celebrity such as Eddie Izzard or Charlotte Church.
My view is that this is done to use up a space that could have gone to more appropriate left-winger and to push the "left-wing London socialist luvvie" agenda the right wing like to push.

Comedy is generally left-wing, but shows like HIGNFY become very pro-Tory in the run up to elections and are very anti-Corbyn.

Russell Howard was very anti-Tory in his last BBC series but has since moved on.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:18
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But they get much, much more money from the licence fee. Which our pro-Brexit government is currently in charge of. So why would the tiny amount of EU grant funding cause them to be biased in favour of the EU?
Especially R&D grant funding which, were it not present, would only affect the BBC's ability to take part in R&D projects (which might or might not be adopted as a standard anyway).

People who don't understand this point simply don't properly understand the purpose of any R&D department in any business. especially the BBC where it is part of one of its Public Purposes.
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Old 02-01-2017, 17:33
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it is a non story because you do not agree with it
No, it's a non-story because it's a piece of shit masquerading as journalism. I thought you hadn't even read it?
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:22
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Oh. Dear. God. Poor inferential skills are so exhausting and it seems like the world would benefit from a little more Asperger's, as details seem to just, like, require so much effort. Yes, other councils are struggling. Have you looked at why that is? Even today, there's a story about the CP-millstone around our necks helping itself to yet another half-million when they said it would cost £0 and there is not a pot to piss in.

Anyway, I don't really know how to convey the sheer scale of what's been going on, so let's restrict it to why Mishcon de Reya set off alarm bells for now. I'm trying to get to the bottom of some of the corruption in a short amount of time, so I've put together a shortlist of words that give away the training in the Council (they actually go as far as to ask officers to change their reports to make sure they're using key phrases):

Vision
Collaboration
Challenges
Partnership
Strategic
Engagement
Sustainability
Robust

and sometimes the words "common purpose" will feature.

In more social-care-related institutions, e.g. Kids Company, there's more emphasis on keywords like the following:
Empowerment
Inclusion
Citizenship
Diversity

Anyway, one of the main areas of corruption is in the sale of land. In one notable instance, they managed to get around the public knowing what was going on by means of the Chatham House Rule, which is a device used by Common Purpose graduates. The land involved was part of a university, and closer inspection reveals that apparently 'leadership training' was deemed important to the staff who look after the billion-pound estates. Hey, who knew how much leadership that type of job would involve? It appears the developers are also highly concerned with leadership and diversity and collaboration and loving one another. I mean, laying bricks and stuff -- it's just, like, got so many layers. If you look closely, you can also see how much the company given the contract for refurbishing council houses or those who were gifted gap sites or other development opportunities are into leading and loving one another and tolerance. It just... It just makes your heart burst with joy and love... Well, because of all the philanthropy, the director who'd announced his intention to spent more money on CP training (when we were already secretly bankrupt) decided to invite in those developers and tell them they could have the greenbelt land, without even bothering to go through the protocols and that restrictive law thing...

Awww, and now that kindly Mishcon de Reya firm want to show the developers how much they love them and want to help them in collaborate with the local authorities. It's just so... It's just so freaking lovely to see people care about each other so much... Sniff...


https://www.mishcon.com/collaboratory
Wow, that's a lot of words.

Just not, in the words of Eric Morcambe, necessarily in the right order.

I leave you to your fantasies.

Adieu.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:32
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Is the BBC left wing or right wing this month?
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:51
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Is the BBC left wing or right wing this month?
If you read the thread you will see it is both
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:37
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The usual beeb bashers are active here
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Old 03-01-2017, 01:44
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The death of Thatcher was a one week free party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party., so I don't know what coverage you were watching.

The BBC lost all pretence of impartiality in the Scottish referendum, from Nick Robinson's outright lies to discussion programmes with 3 unionists vs one independence person, not mentioning all the ordering of news and bias by omission.
The bias by omission was particularly evident in the coverage of the American presidential election.

And presumably there's not much going on in Yemen at the moment. It might be a nice place to go on holiday this year.
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Old 03-01-2017, 01:54
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Wow, that's a lot of words.

Just not, in the words of Eric Morcambe, necessarily in the right order.

I leave you to your fantasies.

Adieu.
You kind of undermine the credibility of your own position when your main criticism of a post is that it's too many words.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:12
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You kind of undermine the credibility of your own position when your main criticism of a post is that it's too many words.
So you believe the Common Purpose conspiracy the verbose poster was ranting on about actually exists?
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:15
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But they get much, much more money from the licence fee. Which our pro-Brexit government is currently in charge of. So why would the tiny amount of EU grant funding cause them to be biased in favour of the EU?
Money is an amazing thing, it makes people and companies do things that may or may not be wrong.
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