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Old 02-01-2017, 09:51
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Labour's biggest donor may have to reconsider their position in 2019 if the polls don't improve. Effectively giving Corbyn a deadline to be in a position to win.

A position the current polls suggest he's many miles from.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:56
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Labour's biggest donor may have to reconsider their position in 2019 if the polls don't improve. Effectively giving Corbyn a deadline to be in a position to win.

A position the current polls suggest he's many miles from.
Abbott recently stated on DP that Corbyn' polling figures will go right up by the end of 2017.

So there is absolutely nothing for anyone to worry about.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:58
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McCluskey is so deluded. His and Corbyn's style politics are never going to do well in the polls anymore.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:21
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McCluskey is so deluded. His and Corbyn's style politics are never going to do well in the polls anymore.
I can't think of many people who would be less popular that Corbyn as Labour leader but McCluskey is one of them (and Diane Abbott, obviously)

McCluskey presumably thinks that the problem is that Corbyn is too much of a moderate and the solution is to find someone even more left wing. Deluded, doesn't begin to describe him.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:34
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Labour's biggest donor may have to reconsider their position in 2019 if the polls don't improve. Effectively giving Corbyn a deadline to be in a position to win.

A position the current polls suggest he's many miles from.
IF they get to 2019 with Corbyn still leader AND the polls are still bad, then it would be far too late for a new leader to make a positive impact electorally.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:53
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I think Labour will really need to get a decent leader by conference season 2018 at the latest as well as the Tories being in a mess over Brexit if they are going to have any chance of gaining seats.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:01
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I do not think it will reach as far as 2019.

It is going to get very messy in 2017, the battleground is already being prepared. A few things have to happen for him to step down though. McCluskey will have to lose his election, Poor By-elections results in Labour seats and continued further decline in the polls. There is a by-election coming up in Copeland, lose it and the war erupts again.

A Labour Activist is already asking for the Green Party to step aside.
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/millom...5278df1a378-ds

Gone by 2018 is my prediction.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:04
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I think Labour will really need to get a decent leader by conference season 2018 at the latest as well as the Tories being in a mess over Brexit if they are going to have any chance of gaining seats.
The Tories are are sure to get into a mess over the Exit negotiations but Labour still need to work out what their policy is on a future relationship with the EU. Move to much towards UKIP and they would be in danger of losing seats to the Lib Dems (or even Greens) areas such as London and other Remain cities. Don't move far enough and they will lose seats in the north to UKIP.

What is almost impossible to see is how they are going to get anywhere near the 100+ gains that they need to form a majority. Maybe they will regain a few in Scotland if people start getting bored of the SNP but currently they are in no position to win in England and Wales.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:10
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Nice to see the unions telling the Labour Party what they are going to do.

Goodbye 2016, hello 1970s.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:28
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I gather that McClusky's main opponent in the Unite election says he's far too interested in & involved with Corbyn & the Labour party & not doing enough for his Union members, so perhaps this is McClusky distancing himself from the doomed Corbyn project in an effort to save his own skin !
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:39
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Clive Lewis will be the next Labour leader.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:16
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He hasn't managed to get on the right track yet, so I don't see how he can be derailed.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:00
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What is almost impossible to see is how they are going to get anywhere near the 100+ gains that they need to form a majority. Maybe they will regain a few in Scotland if people start getting bored of the SNP but currently they are in no position to win in England and Wales.
Nah Scotland is becoming more tory by the day. In 2021 the Scottish Conservatives will win the Scottish election with Ruth Davidson becoming First Minister (possibly with Lib Dem support).
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:04
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Wow, after everything that has happened recently there are still people out there that actually not only give credence, but actually believe in what poll companies say??'

This is just yet more reason to not give a seconds thought to more illogical numbers, that most likely only a tiny number of people were involved in.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:07
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I gather that McClusky's main opponent in the Unite election says he's far too interested in & involved with Corbyn & the Labour party & not doing enough for his Union members, so perhaps this is McClusky distancing himself from the doomed Corbyn project in an effort to save his own skin !
That was exactly my thought. Gerard Coyne is playing the Corbyn is bad for our members jobs card. Unite has thousands of members that work in the defence industry. He's also playing the Len should stop trying to run the Labour party card and in that respect...

The only reason there's an election is because Len wants to stay in power through to the 2020 GE. So as soon as he'd seen Corbyn secure in his seat in the autumn he triggered his own contest by resigning. His current five year term was due to expire in 2018.

Why not wait till then? Because of his previous scheming with Milliband 2018 is when the union funding of Labour is set to crash and the union's grip on the party will be diminished. Not the ideal timing for him to try and get re-elected

Back when McCluskey was selling out his union members on that, 2018 would have seemed a great date for him to choose as he was expecting to waddle off into retirement and I'm pretty sure Ed even with his wildest ambitions would have been in the same place.

Len's ambition has grown as he has a puppet he can truly control at the helm and he now wants to hang around to crown him king.

He needs to sell the idea of that puppet to his membership - make sure they understand that when he jerks the string Corbyn dances and that he can make him learn to love the bomb and stop worrying
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:11
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Nah Scotland is becoming more tory by the day. In 2021 the Scottish Conservatives will win the Scottish election with Ruth Davidson becoming First Minister (possibly with Lib Dem support).
Pie in the sky stuff.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:16
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He hasn't managed to get on the right track yet, so I don't see how he can be derailed.
Apparently he tried to get on but it was ram-packed
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:23
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That was exactly my thought. Gerard Coyne is playing the Corbyn is bad for our members jobs card. Unite has thousands of members that work in the defence industry. He's also playing the Len should stop trying to run the Labour party card and in that respect...

The only reason there's an election is because Len wants to stay in power through to the 2020 GE. So as soon as he'd seen Corbyn secure in his seat in the autumn he triggered his own contest by resigning. His current five year term was due to expire in 2018.

Why not wait till then? Because of his previous scheming with Milliband 2018 is when the union funding of Labour is set to crash and the union's grip on the party will be diminished. Not the ideal timing for him to try and get re-elected

Back when McCluskey was selling out his union members on that, 2018 would have seemed a great date for him to choose as he was expecting to waddle off into retirement and I'm pretty sure Ed even with his wildest ambitions would have been in the same place.

Len's ambition has grown as he has a puppet he can truly control at the helm and he now wants to hang around to crown him king.

He needs to sell the idea of that puppet to his membership - make sure they understand that when he jerks the string Corbyn dances and that he can make him learn to love the bomb and stop worrying
Well let's hope he's not re elected !
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:24
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Clive Lewis will be the next Labour leader.
Would Clive Lewis be any more popular with the General Public ?
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:31
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Would Clive Lewis be any more popular with the General Public ?
He doesn't carry the baggage the tabloids have crucified Corbyn for. Lewis is also a better performer with the media.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:40
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He doesn't carry the baggage the tabloids have crucified Corbyn for. Lewis is also a better performer with the media.
He's a Johnny Come Lately elected in 2015 who said

I don’t want to cause the resentment of my colleagues by being some upstart that’s been here 18 months and then thinks they can be leader ... I’ve never asked for that. All I want to do is do my job and do it to the best of my ability.”

But he did not rule out standing in the future:


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-labour-leader
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:41
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Well let's hope he's not re elected !
Absolutely. Will make my year if Len gets the boot
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:00
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He's a Johnny Come Lately elected in 2015 who said

I don’t want to cause the resentment of my colleagues by being some upstart that’s been here 18 months and then thinks they can be leader ... I’ve never asked for that. All I want to do is do my job and do it to the best of my ability.”

But he did not rule out standing in the future:


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-labour-leader
The only thing that will stop Lewis being the next Labour Leader is if he decides not to stand. But in the event of Corbyn standing down I am sure he would be persuaded and he would skoosh it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:02
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The only thing that will stop Lewis being the next Labour Leader is if he decides not to stand. But in the event of Corbyn standing down I am sure he would be persuaded and he would skoosh it.
Why after fighting not one, but two leadership contests, would Corbyn stand down??
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:02
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The only thing that will stop Lewis being the next Labour Leader is if he decides not to stand. But in the event of Corbyn standing down I am sure he would be persuaded and he would skoosh it.
I disagree, there are far more long serving MPs who have an established following to pick from and there would have to be a leadership election. There is no evidence that Lewis would win.
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