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Old 02-01-2017, 14:06
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Why after fighting not one, but two leadership contests, would Corbyn stand down??
The last contest was engineered by the Blairites who had been undermining him from day 1. Corbyn was never going to allow them to get there way. If he stands down it will when he feels it is the right time in discussion with his supporters.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:08
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I disagree, there are far more long serving MPs who have an established following to pick from and there would have to be a leadership election. There is no evidence that Lewis would win.
Who would beat Lewis among party membership?
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:24
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Who would beat Lewis among party membership?
I have no idea and I have no idea why you are convinced that he would win. Yvette Cooper or Dan Jarvis might stand and they might win.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:32
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I have no idea and I have no idea why you are convinced that he would win. Yvette Cooper or Dan Jarvis might stand and they might win.
Its pretty simple Corbyn has overwhelming support witht the party membership but not with the country. The next leader has to win the party membership, the same ones who voted Corbyn in large numbers. Jarvis or cooper have no chance of doing this. Lewis ticks the right boxes in being acceptable to the Corbynistas, enough pragmatism to move on certain policies and a competent media persona. Oh and he is the bookies favourite.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:37
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McCluskey is trying to save his own skin. Hopefully, his members will chuck him out.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:57
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Clive Lewis will be the next Labour leader.
That's if he holds Norwich South, a 7,000 plus majority is not a totally safe seat .
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:06
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I think by the end of this year is nearer the mark as opposed to a year before the next GE.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:17
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McCluskey is trying to save his own skin. Hopefully, his members will chuck him out.
He's entitled to express his opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion, I have a whole load of links saved to threads predicting the immanent demise of Corbyn and every prediction has failed miserably I am quite confident that the one's here will join them.

I noticed the chap being interviewed by the 'impartial' BBC could not get the grin off his face quickly enough and the camera caught him mid grin, it's very telling how the BBC lead with this non story while ignoring the growing civil war within the Tory party.

Lets see how popular May is once the brexit negotiations actually start.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:23
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Its pretty simple Corbyn has overwhelming support witht the party membership but not with the country. The next leader has to win the party membership, the same ones who voted Corbyn in large numbers. Jarvis or cooper have no chance of doing this. Lewis ticks the right boxes in being acceptable to the Corbynistas, enough pragmatism to move on certain policies and a competent media persona. Oh and he is the bookies favourite.
I still disagree but time will tell.l I obviously want Corbyn to remain leader right up to the next general election.

Keir Starmer is the bookies' favourite btw.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...-labour-leader
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:25
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The only thing that will stop Lewis being the next Labour Leader is if he decides not to stand. But in the event of Corbyn standing down I am sure he would be persuaded and he would skoosh it.
He's only marginally less L wing than Corbyn isn't he ?
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:30
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this is apparently straight from Lens mouth on his FB page TODAY.

Unite4Len
"Jeremy Corbyn continues to have my full support, he's a genuine decent man fighting for a fairer Britain - media headlines distort facts!

Honesty and solidarity - unite members will see beyond misleading media headlines"
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:52
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Oh Len

Perhaps you should look at this

CON 39 (-3)
LAB 24 (-1)
LD 12 (+1)
UKIP 14 (+2)

18th-19th Dec - YouGov

Lower than last month's figure of 25% which was Labour's worst performance since 2009.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:55
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Would Clive Lewis be any more popular with the General Public ?
Coiuldn't be much worse. But he's a lightweight, and tainted by having to stand on opposite positions between backing Corbyn and backing the real world. He looked ludicrous on defence - being for, aganist and don't know in the same speech. Doesn't tick a regional box either - looks like a lOndon MP even if not one except by birth..

It obviously depends on how Corbyn goes - when, what the nomination rules are , and who else stands.

If they can keep a hard left candidate off the ballot still , its probably going to be Starmer , possibly Jarvis, and whoever the sane left put up. If the membership doesn't lose its say, its most likely to be whoever the soft left puts up winning. . Lisa Nandy is perfectly placed - didn't vote for Syria or Trident , but found a rational, non Corbyn, reason to do so, northern, more left than the alternatives , interested in the environment, young. ....... and a member of Unite, and the UCW.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:01
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I am firm Corbyn supporter, but i would not be upset if he stepped aside as long as his successor kept the same idealogy and polices.

Even with a labour leader who does not suffer from such massive media bias and misinformation(which in itself is very unlikely), i am sad to say labour will not be electable in the current media and political climate. .
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:05
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That's if he holds Norwich South, a 7,000 plus majority is not a totally safe seat .
he loses a couple of thousand plus votes in 2020 too - as Norflok South voters get added to his seat. Lisa Nandy's Wigan is unchanged with a 10k majority,. Starmer's seat stays safe - assuming he gets the merged seat. Barnsley central becomes even safer if Jarvis is still candidate.


http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/boundaries2018.html
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:07
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the thread title
Len McCluskey - Awful polling could derail Corbyn
and the mirror
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...claims-9547935

Union chief Len McCluskey claims ally Jeremy Corbyn could step down if Labour's fortunes don't improve
can't quite understand why the line after the one above wasn't the headline, as its an actual quote, rather than something the paper made up,
The Unite chief, who warns Labour risks losing ground to UKIP, believes Mr Corbyn should be given time to prove himself
why was the headline both in the media and on the impartial BBC not "Len McCluskey believes Corbyn should be given time to prove himself" I wonder? (actually I don't wonder at all, it's only what we have come to expect of late)

The head of Britain’s biggest union Unite – and a key ally of the Labour leader – believes Mr Corbyn should be given time to prove himself.

But he says: “Let’s suppose we are not having a snap election. It buys into this question of what happens if we get to 2019 and opinion polls are still awful.

“The truth is everybody would examine that situation, including Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell.”

He adds of the party leader and Shadow Chancellor: “These two are not egomaniacs, they are not desperate to cling on to power for power’s sake.”
and yet our wonderfully impartial media are determined to portray this as an attack on Corbyn by one of his staunchest allies, does this not just show them for the propaganda, fake news, spouting liars they are?

and people STILL believe what the media tells them without ever questioning it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:10
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Wow, after everything that has happened recently there are still people out there that actually not only give credence, but actually believe in what poll companies say??'

This is just yet more reason to not give a seconds thought to more illogical numbers, that most likely only a tiny number of people were involved in.
Spot on.

I don't know how anyone can cite polls & keep a straight face whilst doing so.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:11
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I am firm Corbyn supporter, but i would not be upset if he stepped aside as long as his successor kept the same idealogy and polices.

Even with a labour leader who does not suffer from such massive media bias and misinformation(which in itself is very unlikely), i am sad to say labour will not be electable in the current media and political climate. .
Did the Miliband leadership teach you nothing?

it really doesn't matter WHO is the Labour leader, unless they are a full on Blairite Tory lite clone the media will still use everything they have to undermine them, do you need to be reminded of their vile behaviour towards EM?
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:12
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2019 is going to be far too late for a new leader to take the part to a win. Corbyn needs to go now. He has missed the gigantic open goal that is the Tories at present. It is embarrassing that Labour are no where to be seen.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:34
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Quite.


A Labour Activist is already asking for the Green Party to step aside.
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/millom...5278df1a378-ds
Labour needs to Greens to totally disband
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:35
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Oh Len

Perhaps you should look at this

CON 39 (-3)
LAB 24 (-1)
LD 12 (+1)
UKIP 14 (+2)

18th-19th Dec - YouGov

Lower than last month's figure of 25% which was Labour's worst performance since 2009.
Why are you posting these figures without any sort of explanation of how they were achieved?

Without an actual explanation they are totally irrelevant.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:37
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Spot on.

I don't know how anyone can cite polls & keep a straight face whilst doing so.
Yup, yet some people can't seem to function, or try to put together any sort of point without desperately needing to rely on a poll, which as has been shown lately to be completely pointless.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:52
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I am firm Corbyn supporter, but i would not be upset if he stepped aside as long as his successor kept the same idealogy and polices.

Even with a labour leader who does not suffer from such massive media bias and misinformation(which in itself is very unlikely), i am sad to say labour will not be electable in the current media and political climate. .
A less doddery leader with less of an unbroken history of backing the country's enemies would help.

But you can't have Corbyn policies and any prospect of Labour looking a serious party. . Corbyn now opposes Labour's own policy on the deterrent - which alone will explode his 2020 campaign, and makes him unelectable. He's blocking the majority plp view on immigration - alienating his own voters and pushing them to UKIP. And his economic policy is a nonsense - think of a number and spend it. He's already committed himself to so many cut reversals, and additional helalth and benfits spending that there's none of the 50 billion, from nowhere, promised to build growth and houses, left.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:58
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Len McCluskey - Awful polling could derail Corbyn

This comment is all the more surprising since it came direct from McCluskey himself. Perhaps it's a coded warning to Corbyn to get his act together and improve his, and the Labour party's, performance?

The loss of the Copeland seat and poor May local election results could pile up more pressure on Corbyn.
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:58
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Corbyn will never relinquish power. He is enjoying the money too much.
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