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We do know where they came from, they are coming from Croatia, if they have claimed asylum in Croatia they should stay there, if they have claimed asylum before reaching Croatia they should have stayed there, if they have not claimed asylum anywhere they have arrived in Croatia illegally. What is so hard to understand about that?
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So you would rather that a good proportion of 12.4 million people stay in a country with a population of 4.2 million as long as it's legal, and create a second humanitarian crisis? Trust me, that's hard to understand.
There is a humanitarian crisis in Europe the scale of which is unprecedented. There are no easy answers/solutions - it's gonna take time to work out the best way of handling it and in the meantime there will be chaos and catastrophe. I don't think it solves anything to keep screaming 'the EU are failing us, the EU have mismanaged' etc. We are part of the EU too. It's a problem that needs worldwide input/help - it's wrong to point fingers of blame and then turn our backs simply because we are gepgraphically fortunate that they're not on our doorstep. |
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A few years back an article referred to the supermarkets using food and goods sales to estimate the current population. Sources indicated that this could be over 80 million. Other sources referred to waste water and sludge stats as an indication as well (that is possible because I have a septic tank and records of its emptying are kept and the companies pay disposal so I understand by volume).
Now to be clear I do not say they are correct and find them a little hard to believe but they are one estimate of the number of illegal immigrants in the country. I also heard that there were over 85 million NHS numbers in circulation but I will hastily say that could well be apocryphal. As a guess on the illegal migrants present though they have as much accuracy as any other guess and they are all guesses. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/h...w0#.hf1PLjPljp |
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So you would rather that a good proportion of 12.4 million people stay in a country with a population of 4.2 million as long as it's legal, and create a second humanitarian crisis? Trust me, that's hard to understand.
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Thousands trying, but how many actually got in?
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Most have come from Turkey. I am quite prepared to 'cut some slack' but that is a bit different from saying they are not doing anything illegal. There is a migrant and refugee crisis that has been growing on the EU borders for about six years and the EU palpably failed to deal with it in any effective manner where realistically it is their competence to do so.
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Did you read what I said and it was not debunked as you put it it was shown that it could not be verified through sources or specific detail, a bit like Russian hacking into the US election. I repeat I did not say I believed it I said it was another estimate that has as much authenticity as any other estimate as realistically no one has any idea. Which was the point.
Also, 'could not be verified through sources or specific detail' means that it's nonsense. If it's nonsense then don't bring it into the discussion. |
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It really is isn't it?
There is a humanitarian crisis in Europe the scale of which is unprecedented. There are no easy answers/solutions - it's gonna take time to work out the best way of handling it and in the meantime there will be chaos and catastrophe. I don't think it solves anything to keep screaming 'the EU are failing us, the EU have mismanaged' etc. We are part of the EU too. It's a problem that needs worldwide input/help - it's wrong to point fingers of blame and then turn our backs simply because we are gepgraphically fortunate that they're not on our doorstep. Merkel managed one solution which has rebounded on the German people to some extent and it is generally the ordinary people that take the brunt of any problems. Solutions have consequences. The whole point as regards international agreements is to deal with a situation effectively and that also puts an onus on 'refugees' to behave in accordance with the laws of the country that they are transiting and in which they wish to seek asylum. That includes, not stoning the police, breaking down fences and illegally crossing borders. |
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The census gives us a good clue, wouldn't you think? It may not be 100% accurate but it's far better than any estimate, including those that are politically motivated.
Also, 'could not be verified through sources or specific detail' means that it's nonsense. If it's nonsense then don't bring it into the discussion. The verifiable sources are no different to the Russian hacking of US elections yet that is widely discussed without specific evidence just degrees of confidence and in terms of confidence Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was at the high confidence level. |
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Which estimate of illegal immigrants has any accuracy. Strange as it may seem illegal immigrants are probably not included on any census form.
The verifiable sources are no different to the Russian hacking of US elections yet that is widely discussed without specific evidence just degrees of confidence and in terms of confidence Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was at the high confidence level. ![]() The original 'story' which all these 80-90 million stats came from was utter nonsense. Repetition over the years doesn't make it any more reliable. |
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That is deflection of the highest order!
![]() The original 'story' which all these 80-90 million stats came from was utter nonsense. Repetition over the years doesn't make it any more reliable. If I recall it is impossible to get the home office to divulge any figures they have. |
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Two great reasons not to listen to LBC, ever.
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It may have been made up but realistically you do not know that and has as much authenticity as any guestimate of the number of illegal migrants here as no one knows.
If I recall it is impossible to get the home office to divulge any figures they have. |
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Do you think there are 80-90 million people in this country? (that is, 20-25million illegal immigrants)
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What if - what if - what if.
It would be an unlikely scenario but - lets suppose it did happen - do you think they would then suddenly all flock in their thousands over to the UK after a country had just given them citizenship? If they proved themselves worthy of citizenship then they would have the same rights as any other EU citizen - what is it that worries you? Do you think they're all terrorists/rapists/thieves/criminals or something? |
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