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Unread 07-01-2017, 10:36
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We do know where they came from, they are coming from Croatia, if they have claimed asylum in Croatia they should stay there, if they have claimed asylum before reaching Croatia they should have stayed there, if they have not claimed asylum anywhere they have arrived in Croatia illegally. What is so hard to understand about that?
So you would rather that a good proportion of 12.4 million people stay in a country with a population of 4.2 million as long as it's legal, and create a second humanitarian crisis? Trust me, that's hard to understand.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 11:21
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So you would rather that a good proportion of 12.4 million people stay in a country with a population of 4.2 million as long as it's legal, and create a second humanitarian crisis? Trust me, that's hard to understand.
It really is isn't it?

There is a humanitarian crisis in Europe the scale of which is unprecedented.

There are no easy answers/solutions - it's gonna take time to work out the best way of handling it and in the meantime there will be chaos and catastrophe.

I don't think it solves anything to keep screaming 'the EU are failing us, the EU have mismanaged' etc. We are part of the EU too. It's a problem that needs worldwide input/help - it's wrong to point fingers of blame and then turn our backs simply because we are gepgraphically fortunate that they're not on our doorstep.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 11:30
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A few years back an article referred to the supermarkets using food and goods sales to estimate the current population. Sources indicated that this could be over 80 million. Other sources referred to waste water and sludge stats as an indication as well (that is possible because I have a septic tank and records of its emptying are kept and the companies pay disposal so I understand by volume).
Now to be clear I do not say they are correct and find them a little hard to believe but they are one estimate of the number of illegal immigrants in the country. I also heard that there were over 85 million NHS numbers in circulation but I will hastily say that could well be apocryphal.
As a guess on the illegal migrants present though they have as much accuracy as any other guess and they are all guesses.
Oh dear God, that was debunked years ago!

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Unread 07-01-2017, 11:59
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So you would rather that a good proportion of 12.4 million people stay in a country with a population of 4.2 million as long as it's legal, and create a second humanitarian crisis? Trust me, that's hard to understand.
Are you now agreeing that the poster was a true illustration of an inability by the EU to control borders and was illustrative of large numbers of people crossing borders illegally. There is a difference in what is happening and why it is happening. If I recall you disputed what was happening.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:02
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Thousands trying, but how many actually got in?
We don't know. Unless you have a crystal ball.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:03
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Did you read what I said and it was not debunked as you put it it was shown that it could not be verified through sources or specific detail, a bit like Russian hacking into the US election. I repeat I did not say I believed it I said it was another estimate that has as much authenticity as any other estimate as realistically no one has any idea. Which was the point.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:03
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Most have come from Turkey. I am quite prepared to 'cut some slack' but that is a bit different from saying they are not doing anything illegal. There is a migrant and refugee crisis that has been growing on the EU borders for about six years and the EU palpably failed to deal with it in any effective manner where realistically it is their competence to do so.
How should they have tackled it, in your view? It's not exactly an easy problem to solve.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:07
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Did you read what I said and it was not debunked as you put it it was shown that it could not be verified through sources or specific detail, a bit like Russian hacking into the US election. I repeat I did not say I believed it I said it was another estimate that has as much authenticity as any other estimate as realistically no one has any idea. Which was the point.
The census gives us a good clue, wouldn't you think? It may not be 100% accurate but it's far better than any estimate, including those that are politically motivated.

Also, 'could not be verified through sources or specific detail' means that it's nonsense. If it's nonsense then don't bring it into the discussion.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:12
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It really is isn't it?

There is a humanitarian crisis in Europe the scale of which is unprecedented.

There are no easy answers/solutions - it's gonna take time to work out the best way of handling it and in the meantime there will be chaos and catastrophe.

I don't think it solves anything to keep screaming 'the EU are failing us, the EU have mismanaged' etc. We are part of the EU too. It's a problem that needs worldwide input/help - it's wrong to point fingers of blame and then turn our backs simply because we are gepgraphically fortunate that they're not on our doorstep.
The argument is whether Farage was indicating fact in the poster and there is no doubt it was fact as the facts in the original captions to the photographs referred to refugees and it is unknown how many are potential asylum seekers or economic migrants but we know the overwhelming majority are illegal immigrants.
Merkel managed one solution which has rebounded on the German people to some extent and it is generally the ordinary people that take the brunt of any problems. Solutions have consequences. The whole point as regards international agreements is to deal with a situation effectively and that also puts an onus on 'refugees' to behave in accordance with the laws of the country that they are transiting and in which they wish to seek asylum. That includes, not stoning the police, breaking down fences and illegally crossing borders.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:18
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The census gives us a good clue, wouldn't you think? It may not be 100% accurate but it's far better than any estimate, including those that are politically motivated.

Also, 'could not be verified through sources or specific detail' means that it's nonsense. If it's nonsense then don't bring it into the discussion.
Which estimate of illegal immigrants has any accuracy. Strange as it may seem illegal immigrants are probably not included on any census form.
The verifiable sources are no different to the Russian hacking of US elections yet that is widely discussed without specific evidence just degrees of confidence and in terms of confidence Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was at the high confidence level.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 12:22
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Which estimate of illegal immigrants has any accuracy. Strange as it may seem illegal immigrants are probably not included on any census form.
The verifiable sources are no different to the Russian hacking of US elections yet that is widely discussed without specific evidence just degrees of confidence and in terms of confidence Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was at the high confidence level.
That is deflection of the highest order!

The original 'story' which all these 80-90 million stats came from was utter nonsense. Repetition over the years doesn't make it any more reliable.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 13:44
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That is deflection of the highest order!

The original 'story' which all these 80-90 million stats came from was utter nonsense. Repetition over the years doesn't make it any more reliable.
It may have been made up but realistically you do not know that and has as much authenticity as any guestimate of the number of illegal migrants here as no one knows.
If I recall it is impossible to get the home office to divulge any figures they have.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:35
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Two great reasons not to listen to LBC, ever.
It used to be a good station, what happened.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 17:44
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It may have been made up but realistically you do not know that and has as much authenticity as any guestimate of the number of illegal migrants here as no one knows.
If I recall it is impossible to get the home office to divulge any figures they have.
Do you think there are 80-90 million people in this country? (that is, 20-25million illegal immigrants)
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Unread 07-01-2017, 21:20
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Do you think there are 80-90 million people in this country? (that is, 20-25million illegal immigrants)
I am not saying that all I gave was several different estimates of the illegal immigrant numbers in this country. All have equal authenticity because no one has any idea how many are here. What is clear is that illegal shed dwellings are on the rise with Slough alone discovering 6,000.
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Unread 07-01-2017, 22:59
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What if - what if - what if.

It would be an unlikely scenario but - lets suppose it did happen - do you think they would then suddenly all flock in their thousands over to the UK after a country had just given them citizenship? If they proved themselves worthy of citizenship then they would have the same rights as any other EU citizen - what is it that worries you? Do you think they're all terrorists/rapists/thieves/criminals or something?
Some, I assume are good people.
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