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Old 02-01-2017, 12:56
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-care-crisis/

I know there's a thread on council tax/care services; but I think this deserves it's own thread. OK, it's a newspaper article so pinch of salt and all that, but let's assume it's mostly true then

(a) are these flown-in carers thoroughly checked? How can they be if they go from recruitment to a job in just a few days? NOTE One of the companies mentioned, "Helping Hands" was one I have previously contacted r/e live-in care for m + d but rejected them, Pretty glad I did now.

(b) Is it symptomatic of the ex-pats struggling on the Costas financially, and there may be mass migrations "home" (Brexit or no Brexit) and, if so, are these thousands catered for in any projected immigration figures and the stress on our infrastructure?

(c) would you like your mum with dementia looked after intimately - and by that I mean from dressing to wiping lady areas - with probably less than basic training?

If nothing else, it highlights that we need to shove elderly care to the top of the political agenda, and if it means Brexit, education, defence etc has to go down a notch or two in priorities then so be it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 21:40
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Thank you for posting that. when I saw it being discussed on the newspaper review yesterday they were basically saying it was rubbish and I must admit that was my first impression. However, having read the article I can see what they are getting at and although it can only be true in a very limited number of cases it is a very misleading report when you think what most carers get
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:32
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-care-crisis/

I know there's a thread on council tax/care services; but I think this deserves it's own thread. OK, it's a newspaper article so pinch of salt and all that, but let's assume it's mostly true then

(a) are these flown-in carers thoroughly checked? How can they be if they go from recruitment to a job in just a few days? NOTE One of the companies mentioned, "Helping Hands" was one I have previously contacted r/e live-in care for m + d but rejected them, Pretty glad I did now.

(b) Is it symptomatic of the ex-pats struggling on the Costas financially, and there may be mass migrations "home" (Brexit or no Brexit) and, if so, are these thousands catered for in any projected immigration figures and the stress on our infrastructure?

(c) would you like your mum with dementia looked after intimately - and by that I mean from dressing to wiping lady areas - with probably less than basic training?

If nothing else, it highlights that we need to shove elderly care to the top of the political agenda, and if it means Brexit, education, defence etc has to go down a notch or two in priorities then so be it.
My mother was looked after by her daughters just like her mother before her. We are that sort of family. Men shy away from caring for parents but women do not.
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:45
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My mother was looked after by her daughters just like her mother before her. We are that sort of family. Men shy away from caring for parents but women do not.
And times have changed just to be very common to live in the same street and work in the same place, now people move away to from were parents live as they work in different towns city, and it was very common to find 1 parent going to work and one staying at home to look after children, today its more common that both parents work more women in work than ever before. And in your mothers day how many women had a careers ?
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:29
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From that report:

And around 90,000 care workers – around one in 10 of all such staff – are here from other EU countries, leading to concerns from those including the Health Secretary about what would happen if Brexit cuts off that supply

If you think it's bad now, expect it to get critical soon unless the government clarifies the position of care workers from EU countries
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Old 03-01-2017, 01:32
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-care-crisis/

I know there's a thread on council tax/care services; but I think this deserves it's own thread. OK, it's a newspaper article so pinch of salt and all that, but let's assume it's mostly true then

(a) are these flown-in carers thoroughly checked? How can they be if they go from recruitment to a job in just a few days? NOTE One of the companies mentioned, "Helping Hands" was one I have previously contacted r/e live-in care for m + d but rejected them, Pretty glad I did now.

(b) Is it symptomatic of the ex-pats struggling on the Costas financially, and there may be mass migrations "home" (Brexit or no Brexit) and, if so, are these thousands catered for in any projected immigration figures and the stress on our infrastructure?

(c) would you like your mum with dementia looked after intimately - and by that I mean from dressing to wiping lady areas - with probably less than basic training?

If nothing else, it highlights that we need to shove elderly care to the top of the political agenda, and if it means Brexit, education, defence etc has to go down a notch or two in priorities then so be it.
Helping Hands? Wasn't that a business set up for one of those old Carry-On films?
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Old 03-01-2017, 01:53
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I know the care industry. It's one of those professions you hear about where they say the locals Brits dont want to do the job.
This is, in my experience a fact. Recruitment is difficult across the board in social care.
As long as current Europeans residing in the UK can stay there's bound to be a reasonable sized pool of workers for now at least. I think the issue would be more serious several years down the road.
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Old 03-01-2017, 02:49
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All care companies are in crisis if they are providing LA funded care...they just can not afford to continue on the hourly rate LA's pay...
a LA may pay £14.00 per hour
The company has to pay
Carer...minimum wage + mileage + employers NI + Pension contribution + uniforms, aprons and gloves + mobile phone + holiday pay + SSP/MP/PP allowances
That's without the admin costs ...some still has to be paid for recruitment, DBS checks, training, admin of payroll, admin of rotas, admin of being there to answer phone to clients and carers...I am amazed that there are still care companies out there that are still working with LA's...
Unless there is more funding available from LA's no private care company is going to be able to afford to do this. Sadly the way its going the only people that will get the care they need is the people that can afford to pay privately
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:29
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Our helper this morning said she gets £7.80/hr + travelling time (but not her petrol money) and the company charges me £18 (and it's going up to £20 next week). That's done on a private arrangement - and means that the carer gets less than 50% of the company's income from me.

Just wonder if the carers would be better off being self-employed, charging £12-15/hr financially at least? Probably the hassle of insurance, tax, finding clients etc isn't worth the bother. Would like to know if any professional carers have gone their own way?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:33
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Sadly the way its going the only people that will get the care they need is the people that can afford to pay privately
"Job done" - Jeremy Hunt
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:48
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And times have changed just to be very common to live in the same street and work in the same place, now people move away to from were parents live as they work in different towns city, and it was very common to find 1 parent going to work and one staying at home to look after children, today its more common that both parents work more women in work than ever before. And in your mothers day how many women had a careers ?
Most of them and my mother's mother lived in Scotland and my mother went up to Scotland to care for her.

But if people are happy to dump the parents in homes so be it and they will get what they pay for. It wont be love.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:50
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Most of them and my mother's mother lived in Scotland and my mother went up to Scotland to care for her.

But if people are happy to dump the parents in homes so be it and they will get what they pay for. It wont be love.
And lot of people just cannot give work up and move to other parts of the country, people have mortgages and commitments themselves, also do people have the room tobe able to have someone move in with them, is there the room for a family to move into the parents home who needs looking after, lots of things make it not possible at times.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:56
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My mother was looked after by her daughters just like her mother before her. We are that sort of family. Men shy away from caring for parents but women do not.
That's a generalisation, so here's another one: gay men don't shy away from caring for parents, but lesbians do.
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