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Old 04-01-2017, 04:31
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Interesting how people of rural Gloucestershire need 4x4s while people living in places like Iceland and Finland manage with Fiestas. I worked a a ski rep for a few years living in the mountains of Italy or Austria and we just used 2 wheel drive cars.

My relatives are dairy farmers and have just bought their first ever 4x4, a Audi A3.

I hate the way the big 4x4s role on corners.
My dad used to have an Austin Princess that rolled around corners.
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:51
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:08
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Mitsubishi used to make torpedo bombers. Need I say more?
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:37
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A lot of people these days sadly have a "my car is bigger than yours, get the f**k out of the way" mentality.
Also, a lot of people prefer the higher seating position that a 4x4 gives.
Other benefits of this include a better view of the road ahead, and the increased feeling of security/safety that sitting higher gives.
These are the reasons why Nissan introduced the hugely popular Qashqai.
It basically replaced the Primera and gave people who had no intention of going "off road" in a 4x4 an alternative to a Golf/Focus/Astra as a family car.
Most (if not ALL) manufacturers have followed suit.
Hardly any 4x4 Qashqai's are sold, the vast majority of them are two wheel drive.
If I were to be involved in an accident I'd much rather take my chances in a Qashqai (or similar) than a Golf/Focus/Astra.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:52
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We had a Mitsubishi VCR which was really good.
So did we . And a big Black Diamond Mitsubishi TV back in the 1980s as well, good quality electronics back then.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:55
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Mitsubishi used to make torpedo bombers. Need I say more?
Calm down Captain Mainwairing. Tate and Lyle used to have slaves harvesting their sugar, but other countries don't keep dragging that up.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:45
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Interesting how people of rural Gloucestershire need 4x4s while people living in places like Iceland and Finland manage with Fiestas. I worked a a ski rep for a few years living in the mountains of Italy or Austria and we just used 2 wheel drive cars.
But how well maintained were those roads? How well were they cleared? How often did you have to drive down narrow lanes in very poor condition, full of pot holes, and with solid stone walls either side?

Yes, the main roads where I live are cleared of snow, but getting to those main roads along roads I have described above is much easier in a 4x4 when there is ice and snow around because there is very little room for error on those roads. Any mistake is likely to lead to hitting something very solid as there is very often little, if any, run off.

It is also work noting that they have much more snow in those countries and so are more used to driving in such conditions. Having spent 18 months, and two winters, in Shetland I am more than comfortable driving in ice and snow. The biggest problem I find is those who think you drive in such conditions pretty much the same as you do on a fine summer's day, fast and sitting on the boot of the car in front.

Of course the vast majority of times it is irrelevant as we don't have the weather to worry about it, but it is that one time you need it.

My relatives are dairy farmers and have just bought their first ever 4x4, a Audi A3.
I'm not really sure where your relatives come in to this, I doubt they use their A3 in the day-to-day running of their farm. Besides, they can probably walk to work. I have to drive.

I hate the way the big 4x4s role on corners.
I have a small 4x4 SUV, so my car doesn't roll on cornering. They aren't all the same.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:51
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Also, a lot of people prefer the higher seating position that a 4x4 gives.
Other benefits of this include a better view of the road ahead, and the increased feeling of security/safety that sitting higher gives.
These are the reasons why Nissan introduced the hugely popular Qashqai.
It basically replaced the Primera and gave people who had no intention of going "off road" in a 4x4 an alternative to a Golf/Focus/Astra as a family car.
Most (if not ALL) manufacturers have followed suit.
Hardly any 4x4 Qashqai's are sold, the vast majority of them are two wheel drive.
If I were to be involved in an accident I'd much rather take my chances in a Qashqai (or similar) than a Golf/Focus/Astra.
I find being above roof level of cars a huge advantage, I've got a Hyundai Tucson. On a motorway I can ease down and widen the gap between me and the car in front because I can see the cars ahead breaking, rather than having to react to his breaking because of the comparatively limited distance you can see ahead in a car.

It is the same with the Tucson, the vast majority sold are the two-wheel drive versions.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:03
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Interesting how people of rural Gloucestershire need 4x4s while people living in places like Iceland and Finland manage with Fiestas.
You must be kidding, I was in Iceland last month and saw some wild looking 4x4s, jacked up on massive, monster snow tyres.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:08
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We had a Mitsubishi TV in the 90's that turned. It was on a power-swivel base so you could rotate it 45 degrees towards you using the remote. Only one of it's kind I believe.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:56
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But how well maintained were those roads? How well were they cleared? How often did you have to drive down narrow lanes in very poor condition, full of pot holes, and with solid stone walls either side?

Yes, the main roads where I live are cleared of snow, but getting to those main roads along roads I have described above is much easier in a 4x4 when there is ice and snow around because there is very little room for error on those roads. Any mistake is likely to lead to hitting something very solid as there is very often little, if any, run off.

It is also work noting that they have much more snow in those countries and so are more used to driving in such conditions. Having spent 18 months, and two winters, in Shetland I am more than comfortable driving in ice and snow. The biggest problem I find is those who think you drive in such conditions pretty much the same as you do on a fine summer's day, fast and sitting on the boot of the car in front.

Of course the vast majority of times it is irrelevant as we don't have the weather to worry about it, but it is that one time you need it.



I'm not really sure where your relatives come in to this, I doubt they use their A3 in the day-to-day running of their farm. Besides, they can probably walk to work. I have to drive.
the main roads get cleared regularly in the folder countries where there is more snow but it builds up again very quickly. On the main roads you will come across a plough every few miles but in the smaller towns and villages they don't clear the roads that often. Side roads don't get cleared at all.

As for my farmer relatives, they are farmers and manage without a 4x4, despite living rurally, but accoutants, teachers, engineers who work in offices can't.



I find being above roof level of cars a huge advantage, I've got a Hyundai Tucson. On a motorway I can ease down and widen the gap between me and the car in front because I can see the cars ahead breaking, rather than having to react to his breaking because of the comparatively limited distance you can see ahead in a car.

It is the same with the Tucson, the vast majority sold are the two-wheel drive versions.
Can you tell if the car your tailgating will break suddenly for example. I thought the Tucson is a V W?

You must be kidding, I was in Iceland last month and saw some wild looking 4x4s, jacked up on massive, monster snow tyres.
Yes, usually for tourists, they have them in Portugal and Cyprus too.

I have driven 2 wheel cars such as the Opel is it the Zentara in Finland Astra in Italy but got a Suzuki 4 x 4 stuck by the side of the road in Iceland, drove it (one wheel) into a ditch when I pulled up by the side of the road. Could i free it, no way while these tiny Japanese cars went flying by on the snow and no one stopped!
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:39
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You must be kidding, I was in Iceland last month and saw some wild looking 4x4s, jacked up on massive, monster snow tyres.
Did they have any good offers on?
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:49
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We had a Mitsubishi VCR which was really good.
I had a Mitsubishi VCR in the mid 80’s and it had a great feature that allowed you to program the VCR remote control so it would emulate all the basic functions of your TV remote control.

You had to put both remote controls very close together on a flat surface, facing each other;…then simultaneously press the necessary buttons on each unit,….voila!, only 1 remote control needed to operate VCR and TV.

Impressive eh?....well, it was at the time.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:59
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We had a Mitsubishi TV in the 90's that turned. It was on a power-swivel base so you could rotate it 45 degrees towards you using the remote. Only one of it's kind I believe.
Bang & Olufsen did similar. No idea if they still do them, but the one I saw back in the 90s certainly used to rotate on a swivel, controlled via the remote control.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:45
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Interesting how people of rural Gloucestershire need 4x4s while people living in places like Iceland and Finland manage with Fiestas. I worked a a ski rep for a few years living in the mountains of Italy or Austria and we just used 2 wheel drive cars.

My relatives are dairy farmers and have just bought their first ever 4x4, a Audi A3.

I hate the way the big 4x4s role on corners.
Do you mean a Audi Q3? An A3 is a hatchback
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:34
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My stepfathers got a mitsubishi. Whats your point? I don't like it but thats not the point either is it?
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:40
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the main roads get cleared regularly in the folder countries where there is more snow but it builds up again very quickly. On the main roads you will come across a plough every few miles but in the smaller towns and villages they don't clear the roads that often. Side roads don't get cleared at all.

As for my farmer relatives, they are farmers and manage without a 4x4, despite living rurally, but accoutants, teachers, engineers who work in offices can't.
As I said, your relatives can walk to work, assuming their farm house is co-located with their farm, accountants, teachers, engineers who work in offices very often can't.

However because of where I live I know many farmers, rural workers, game keepers, etc, and they all drive 4x4s.

Your argument makes no sense.

Can you tell if the car your tailgating will break suddenly for example. I thought the Tucson is a V W?
I do not tailgate anyone and I resent your assertion I do, I drive to a very high standard and have taken an independent driving assessment which shows that. You have picked the wrong person to suggest that to.

And no, the Tucson has never been made by VW.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:04
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VW have the Tiguan which is like a higher Golf or the Toerag which is their bigger SUV.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:39
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Bang & Olufsen did similar. No idea if they still do them, but the one I saw back in the 90s certainly used to rotate on a swivel, controlled via the remote control.
Okay then, my mistake. I loved it but then it broke down and wasn't worth repairing. Guess they don't do them now though. Never seen or heard of one.

Remember us going to look at tellys and I wanted a Philips as I was more interested in picture quality than fancy stuff. OH saw this and said "No we're having that one. Look it MOVES" Weighed a ton too. Took 3 of us to carry it upstairs when we got a better one.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:05
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I've seen a few of the new Outlanders, but other than that Mitsubishi's are quite rare now, not that I'd say they were massively popular in the first place. The Colt, however, was a great little car and they'd have been better off keeping that on sale then replacing it with the Mirage, which was panned on launch by the motoring press and is very rare.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:31
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I find being above roof level of cars a huge advantage, I've got a Hyundai Tucson. On a motorway I can ease down and widen the gap between me and the car in front because I can see the cars ahead breaking, rather than having to react to his breaking because of the comparatively limited distance you can see ahead in a car.

It is the same with the Tucson, the vast majority sold are the two-wheel drive versions.
I don't really get this as a valid reason for buying. I've never really had a problem anticipating braking on a motorway except where it's at a crawl and the traffic is bunched up and I've been following someone tap dancing on the brake peddle.

For normal driving if you follow the two-second-rule there's usually enough forward vision to see several cars ahead quite easily unless the vehicles in front are HGVs, LGVs, vans or, ( dare I say it) 4x4s If a driver is simply reacting to the braking of the vehicle immediately in front then I'd suggest they're probably driving too close. The higher seating position in an off-road vehicle isn't gonna fix that.
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Old Yesterday, 05:34
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For normal driving if you follow the two-second-rule there's usually enough forward vision to see several cars ahead quite easily.
Ahh the old "two second rule". Marvelous when it works.
Sadly it inevitably leads to never ending games of "motorway tetris", with drivers undertaking, cutting in, lane swapping, which in turn leads to increased tension, verbal "fisticuffs" and even more chance of accidents.
Shame that.
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Old Yesterday, 08:30
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I have always liked Mitsubishi Motors as a brand. Their range of cars in the early 1990s looked stylish imo, from the Colt supermini to the tech laden Sigma 3.0 V6 executive saloon. Oh, hand how could I forget the 3000 GT coupé ?!

Yes, you don't see many Shoguns these days. Perhaps they have lost sales to Jaguar Land Rover. Since that marque was taken over by an Indian company, the quality has improved considerably.

The Mirage supermini that replaced the Colt a few years ago costs £0 in vehicle excise duty but it's built in India, not Japan. They don't seem to do family sized cars anymore like the Lancer or Galant - it's the Mirage supermini or one of the jacked up SUVs and 4x4s.
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Old Yesterday, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Chris Frost;85053767[B
]I don't really get this as a valid reason for buying.[/b] I've never really had a problem anticipating braking on a motorway except where it's at a crawl and the traffic is bunched up and I've been following someone tap dancing on the brake peddle.

For normal driving if you follow the two-second-rule there's usually enough forward vision to see several cars ahead quite easily unless the vehicles in front are HGVs, LGVs, vans or, ( dare I say it) 4x4s If a driver is simply reacting to the braking of the vehicle immediately in front then I'd suggest they're probably driving too close. The higher seating position in an off-road vehicle isn't gonna fix that.
I never said it was a valid reason for buying one, I mentioned it as something I have found is an advantage of owning one, and a lot of drivers do react to the breaking of the car in front.

I have found that because of the high breaking lights cars have now and the added height I have, if I see the cars in the distance breaking I can use that to ease off the accelerator to increase the gap between myself and the car in front and, very often, avoid having to break at all.
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Ahh the old "two second rule". Marvelous when it works.
Sadly it inevitably leads to never ending games of "motorway tetris", with drivers undertaking, cutting in, lane swapping, which in turn leads to increased tension, verbal "fisticuffs" and even more chance of accidents.
Shame that.
Absolutely true. I see it every day on my drive to work.
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