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Old 03-01-2017, 05:04
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...lowing-brexit/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7506281.html




Happy New Year SNP!
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:51
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Not likely to happen as the Orknery councillors are only asking for a review and the total poplulation there is only about 20 000.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:06
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Good for them. I hope they achieve freedom from Scottish tyranny.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:12
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The journalists appear to have have got rather carried away as the headlines don't match the detail of the articles, which is of course not unusual.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:24
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13 Orkney councillors want to explore greater powers of devolution from the UK and Scotland. Where did this independence claim come from?
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:30
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13 Orkney councillors want to explore greater powers of devolution from the UK and Scotland. Where did this independence claim come from?
A journalist's head. As Orkney is part of Scotland which has a devolved government the wish for greater autonomy for Orkney would logically mean devolution within Scotland not the UK.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:48
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We were in Orkney the year of the Scottish referendum. A few things caught our fancy
When they talk about the mainland, they mean the biggest island. They refer to Scotland as "Scotland" as though it is a foreign place.
Several people told us that in practical terms Edinburgh is as remote as London.
The place is full of English people who have re=settled there.
They voted two to one against independence. So did Shetland.
Most people we asked just didn't care about devolution. They already felt remote from Scotland.

It is a totally fabulous place. But thats a different thread.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:29
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We were in Orkney the year of the Scottish referendum. A few things caught our fancy
When they talk about the mainland, they mean the biggest island. They refer to Scotland as "Scotland" as though it is a foreign place.
Several people told us that in practical terms Edinburgh is as remote as London.
The place is full of English people who have re=settled there.
They voted two to one against independence. So did Shetland.
Most people we asked just didn't care about devolution. They already felt remote from Scotland.

It is a totally fabulous place. But thats a different thread.
I would love to go to Orkney to see the archaeology sites. It used to be part of Norway.
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:18
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We were in Orkney the year of the Scottish referendum. A few things caught our fancy
When they talk about the mainland, they mean the biggest island. They refer to Scotland as "Scotland" as though it is a foreign place.
Several people told us that in practical terms Edinburgh is as remote as London.
The place is full of English people who have re=settled there.
They voted two to one against independence. So did Shetland.
Most people we asked just didn't care about devolution. They already felt remote from Scotland.

It is a totally fabulous place. But thats a different thread.
Many of us here on the Hebrides feel the same way. For the SNP Scotland stops at Stirling! Andything above the central belt (Aberdeen being the exception ) is as foreign to Ms Sturgeon and her ilk as London.
I would vote for independence from central Scotland where we all apparently speak like Jimmy Crankie , look like him and are a big homogeneous pot of pure Glasga.
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:19
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I would love to go to Orkney to see the archaeology sites. It used to be part of Norway.
It's well worth a visit Annsyre, not just for the remarkable heritage but also the scenery , the people and the atmosphere. Fantastic place .
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:25
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Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have a different tax regime (it's not called INLAND Revenue on the mainland for nothing!) - does the same apply to the Orkneys (Shetland, Western isles etc), and if not, why not?
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:26
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It's well worth a visit Annsyre, not just for the remarkable heritage but also the scenery , the people and the atmosphere. Fantastic place .
..and the last couple of weeks in June!!
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:28
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Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have a different tax regime (it's not called INLAND Revenue on the mainland for nothing!) - does the same apply to the Orkneys (Shetland, Western isles etc), and if not, why not?
The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not part of the UK, Orkney and Shetland are (to my knowledge) which is why there's a different tax regime in the IoM and the Channel Islands.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:40
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Many of us here on the Hebrides feel the same way. For the SNP Scotland stops at Stirling! Andything above the central belt (Aberdeen being the exception ) is as foreign to Ms Sturgeon and her ilk as London.
I would vote for independence from central Scotland where we all apparently speak like Jimmy Crankie , look like him and are a big homogeneous pot of pure Glasga.
I think many of us feel that too much emphasis is given to the West of Scotland and that other parts get forgotten. The media are very much Glasgow centric.

As for Orkney leaving Scotland, I agree that the article reads too much into the desire for Orkney to be more autonomous and devolved, like all of our islands they face a set of different challenges from us in the rest of Scotland and so should be allowed more leeway to find solutions. I don't think they will be leaving us anytime soon but using the threat might provide some leverage to get more powers.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:42
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..and the last couple of weeks in June!!
Isn't that midgie time? My Scottish family warned me about the midgies.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:59
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Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have a different tax regime (it's not called INLAND Revenue on the mainland for nothing!) - does the same apply to the Orkneys (Shetland, Western isles etc), and if not, why not?
Not to be pedantic, but it's not called inland revenue and hasn't been for over 10 years
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:48
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Many of us here on the Hebrides feel the same way. For the SNP Scotland stops at Stirling! Andything above the central belt (Aberdeen being the exception ) is as foreign to Ms Sturgeon and her ilk as London.
I would vote for independence from central Scotland where we all apparently speak like Jimmy Crankie , look like him and are a big homogeneous pot of pure Glasga.
So who represents the Western Isles in Holyrood and Westminster? Labour or Conservative?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:56
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Will this become the worlds first Liberal Democrat run oil protectorate.

Hail Emir Tim Farron!

But I thought the Lib Dems were pro remain and didn't want to leave things. Will they keep holding referendums until they get their way?
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:22
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If the UK was a proper federation, it would make sense for Scotland to split into two states in the highlands and the lowlands.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:39
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If the UK was a proper federation, it would make sense for Scotland to split into two states in the highlands and the lowlands.
The highlands population would be very small in comparison to the lowlands though, wouldn't it? Perhaps not viable as a region on its own.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:20
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The highlands population would be very small in comparison to the lowlands though, wouldn't it? Perhaps not viable as a region on its own.
What about Aberdeenshire and Moray.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:32
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Will this become the worlds first Liberal Democrat run oil protectorate.

Hail Emir Tim Farron!

But I thought the Lib Dems were pro remain and didn't want to leave things. Will they keep holding referendums until they get their way?
Maybe they should have their referendum. It would be a shame for Orkney and Shetland to be taken out of the UK against their will by forces in the SNP

The SNP also didn't seem to respect Orkney and Shetland in their wee blue book two years ago saying they weren't entitled to it any more than Sauchiehall Street. Very disrespectful of them tbh.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:59
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13 Orkney councillors want to explore greater powers of devolution from the UK and Scotland. Where did this independence claim come from?
It's a start which is pretty much the path Scotland took after devolution..
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:10
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So in away their asking for Scotland and England too let them go so,they can become one of that crappy Isle Of Man scheme's of doing things out of sight and mind without the good warm Caribbean Weather we'll goodbye then.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:29
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Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have a different tax regime (it's not called INLAND Revenue on the mainland for nothing!) - does the same apply to the Orkneys (Shetland, Western isles etc), and if not, why not?
The IoM and Channel Isles are not part of the UK and the "inland revenue" is actually HMRC. Otherwise...............
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