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Old 03-01-2017, 08:09
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http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bri...vided-10713985

The events of 2016 have left Britain a nation divided, a Sky Data poll suggests.

Whether on community relations, the economy or politics, Britons say they feel less united as a country - and do not expect things to get any better in 2017.
And two thirds (67%) think we are less happy as a nation than a year before. Just 8% believe we are happier.
The majority also believe Britain is a more racist place than 12 months ago.

The Home Office has said that allegations of crimes motivated by race or religious hate increased by 41% following the Brexit vote.

Some 57% think Britain is now more racist, with 6% believing we are now less racist as a country - 31% say there has been no change.
Looking ahead to 2017, many Britons are gloomy about the economy..

Half of the people we polled think the UK economy will get worse over the next year, 19% think it will improve and 17% say it will stay the same.

The fall in the value of the pound is a particular concern, with the majority expecting it to be bad for the economy (56%), British businesses (51%), their employers (50%) and themselves personally (50%).
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:18
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How other people think should have little bearing on how you yourself think.
How somebody else feels or thinks is just their subjective perspective. It doesn't reflect objective reality unless it's based on something more substantive than how they feel.

If people are obsessed with television news and have their head buried in online social media then how they feel is probably more informed by that kind of bubble they've placed themselves in.
It quite possibly also provides an insight into why so many polls were so wrong in the lead up to the voting in major elections and referendums. There is probably so much mental pollution out there that there's little chance of trying to get a reasonable insight into any sort of general truth.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:28
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So they pick the time of year when people may be suffering from Seasonal Affective Disorder to ask how happy people are.

Well then, there's nothing biased about that poll.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:33
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Well they could have asked - Is the Pope a Catholic? Both answers are just as obvious.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:47
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The Home Office has said that allegations of crimes motivated by race or religious hate increased by 41% following the Brexit vote.
Reporting seems to have gone quiet on that front, was there a spike in allegations in June which then started to tail off, or is there loads of hate going on that people just aren't making allegations about?
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:53
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Reporting seems to have gone quiet on that front, was there a spike in allegations in June which then started to tail off, or is there loads of hate going on that people just aren't making allegations about?
I suspect things will have "calmed down" a bit since the June vote but I fear another spike if/when Article 50 is triggered (or if it isn't in March)
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:15
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Sounds like they polled a bunch of bitter remainers. Anyway, I though 2016 was the death knell for polls?
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:23
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... Anyway, I though 2016 was the death knell for polls?
That's a matter of opinion, did you ask enough people to see if there was a consensus?
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:37
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Sounds like they polled a bunch of bitter remainers. Anyway, I though 2016 was the death knell for polls?
No .................it was the death knell for common sense.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:39
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Ironically a poll by Sky, who beam pure misery into the homes of millions of people on the hour every hour in the form of Sky News.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:25
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I suspect things will have "calmed down" a bit since the June vote but I fear another spike if/when Article 50 is triggered (or if it isn't in March)
A spike in allegations, possibly, it's almost as if racism didn't increase only the number of allegations. Who's to argue with the figures though when so many were based on "what someone wrote on Twitter", that bastion of truth and accuracy.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:30
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Reporting seems to have gone quiet on that front, was there a spike in allegations in June which then started to tail off, or is there loads of hate going on that people just aren't making allegations about?

Yep, lots of questions, there is also the case that a proportion on the remain side contest that a vote out is equivalent to automatically being racist, xenophobic, stupid, knuckle draggers, Little Englanders etc etc, so if they are asked the question it's gonna be 'yes'
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:37
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The referendum was a huge mistake, irrespective of the politics of it or the actual result. It turned out to be extremely divisive and has split the country down the middle (and would have had the same effect had the Remain side won).

There will be those who will argue that the country was split down the middle anyway and there may well be a lot of truth in that, but the last thing the country needed in that case was a prolonged and divisive referendum campaign, pitching one side against the other, plus the fall out from Brexit has kept things going and will continue to do so.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:52
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All this does is prove that polls are meaningless.

Those of a particular political viewpoint will find a way to discredit a poll that goes against that, as is evidenced here, and they'll equally find a way to give credibility to a poll that supports their view.

And there's never a middle ground either - only polls that agree with them are "legit" and everything else is made up, has questionable sampling, hasn't asked enough people or any number of reasons.

Sorry if that turned in to a stream of consciousness
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:55
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I see some posts have err gone missing from this thread, a spot of Bremain cleansing perhaps.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:55
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Less happy probably but I think that's across much of the world these days.

More racist? Well it depends on what your definition of racist is. Racist in my book is being prejudice against another based upon their race. Whereas it's popular to say racism is being anti mass immigration for example, which of course in reality isn't racist but many consider it to be.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:00
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The referendum was a huge mistake, irrespective of the politics of it or the actual result. It turned out to be extremely divisive and has split the country down the middle (and would have had the same effect had the Remain side won).

There will be those who will argue that the country was split down the middle anyway and there may well be a lot of truth in that, but the last thing the country needed in that case was a prolonged and divisive referendum campaign, pitching one side against the other, plus the fall out from Brexit has kept things going and will continue to do so.
Yes, but YOU or the Remain camp would have not control or say(as per normal) over what happened post remain.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:01
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They needed a poll for this?
What next a poll to see how many people think it goes dark at night?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:16
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Less happy probably but I think that's across much of the world these days.

More racist? Well it depends on what your definition of racist is. Racist in my book is being prejudice against another based upon their race. Whereas it's popular to say racism is being anti mass immigration for example, which of course in reality isn't racist but many consider it to be.
Not everyone who is anti-immigration is racist, but all racists are anti-immigration.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:17
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Yes, but YOU or the Remain camp would have not control or say(as per normal) over what happened post remain.
I don't really understand what that means. Do you seriously think that you will have more control over your life post Brexit?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:21
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Less happy probably but I think that's across much of the world these days.

More racist? Well it depends on what your definition of racist is. Racist in my book is being prejudice against another based upon their race. Whereas it's popular to say racism is being anti mass immigration for example, which of course in reality isn't racist but many consider it to be.
So, not wanting some human beings to come to the bit of the planet where one happens to have been born or live, based on nothing more than these human beings happen to have been born on a different part of the planet than the part on which you were born,
making them either human beings of a different nationality and or racial background, .....doesn't make one a racist?

Discriminating against a person or persons based only on their race/nationality is PRECISELY what racists do!!

It's the very definition of racism, it might not have the sheer hatred behind it that the more extreme racists feel towards the 'not us'
but it's still racism.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:21
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A spike in allegations, possibly, it's almost as if racism didn't increase only the number of allegations. Who's to argue with the figures though when so many were based on "what someone wrote on Twitter", that bastion of truth and accuracy.
Yep, lots of questions, there is also the case that a proportion on the remain side contest that a vote out is equivalent to automatically being racist, xenophobic, stupid, knuckle draggers, Little Englanders etc etc, so if they are asked the question it's gonna be 'yes'
Start here: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/t...crime-scandal/

"Consider the Brexit aftermath. The police say that 3,192 reports of hate incidents were received in the last two weeks of June, and 3,001 in the first two weeks of July. Apparently that constitutes a rise of 48 per cent and 20 per cent respectively on last year’s levels of incidents. But can we engage in some scepticism here? Many of these incidents (the police can’t at the moment say how many) were reported through True Vision, a police-funded website that allows anyone anywhere to report something they either experienced or witnessed, anonymously if they like."
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:36
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England is the most densely populated country in Europe. Schools are bursting, you wait weeks to see your GP unless it's life and death, roads are jam packed, average house prices are ten times average salaries so young people cannot afford to build a future and our infrastructure and public transport system is under severe strain.

Quality of life drives happiness - not material wealth. And if you keep adding more people to the mix each year it's not going to get better.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:41
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I don't really understand what that means. Do you seriously think that you will have more control over your life post Brexit?
Yes, I guess you actually think layers and layers of unaccountable bureaucracy are good for democracy?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:44
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England has always been racist even before the influx of the latest migrants/immigrants.
It's a simply more vocal now, or I should say, it's reverting to it's previous state of being vocally racial.
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