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Old 03-01-2017, 14:44
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Not everyone who is anti-immigration is racist, but all racists are anti-immigration.
Really? Did you ask them?
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:47
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England has always been racist even before the influx of the latest migrants/immigrants.
It's a simply more vocal now, or I should say, it's reverting to it's previous state of being vocally racial.
Really? You have asked everyone living here, and have the historical records of precious people having asked everyone?


Disclaimer : I was born in England and was not racist, and I currently live in England, and am still not racist. I'm reasonably sure that labelling me as one simply because of these facts and repeating the allegations doesn't actually make it come true.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:48
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England has always been racist even before the influx of the latest migrants/immigrants.
It's a simply more vocal now, or I should say, it's reverting to it's previous state of being vocally racial.
If it's such a horrible place how come so many millions have come here and decided to stay in recent years. Britain is a remarkably tolerant and free place.

Maybe it's not so bad compared to the vast majority of countries in the world - otherwise they would all leave wouldn't they!
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:58
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Yes, but YOU or the Remain camp would have not control or say(as per normal) over what happened post remain.
I'm suggesting that the referendum itself was a major mistake, irrespective of the result or what does or doesn't happen post-Brexit. Anything that divides a nation can only be a seriously bad thing and this would have happened equally had the Remain side won. "Taking back control" of a country that is split down the middle and at odds with itself hardly even seems worth the effort.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:01
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If it's such a horrible place how come so many millions have come here and decided to stay in recent years,

Maybe it's not so bad - otherwise they would all leave wouldn't they!
I was thinking the very same thing after I posted.

Maybe it's because (we) the English have always been polite on the whole and wouldn't dream of verbally abusing someone to their face. Behaviour has changed dramatically over the years....or the culture has changed?
People from other countries never bothered me and I loved travelling abroad (Europe mainly) but some friends at school looked at 'foreigners' as some sort of odd species and would never want to go abroad or try their food!!!
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:01
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:01
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England has always been racist even before the influx of the latest migrants/immigrants.
It's a simply more vocal now, or I should say, it's reverting to it's previous state of being vocally racial.
... or, read the article provided and fact check it.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/t...crime-scandal/

or this one,

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10...rexit-britain/

"The EU referendum hadn’t even happened before it was linked to an increase in hate crime. Police were ordered to switch from compiling monthly hate crime statistics to sending in weekly reports. Heightened awareness kept everyone fully primed to expect more hatred and this greater sensitivity, in turn, triggered more reporting.

So, the increase in hate crime might not mean Britain is more hateful after all. In fact, it could easily mean the exact opposite: we’re all more sensitive now, more aware of racism and homophobia and less ready to tolerate prejudice. There’s not more hate – simply more awareness and more readiness to report suspicions.

For the past few months we’ve been panicking over racism that has supposedly been legitimised by the referendum campaign. But what is truly vile are the keyboard warriors who have taken the moral high ground to declare Leave voters ignorant, racist, antediluvian scum. The 41 per cent jump in post-referendum hate reflects nothing more than their darkest fantasies. "
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:44
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For some reason the vido isn't playing but presumably it's half a dozen well chosen nutjobs that are apparently an accurate representation of all 17 million 'leave' voters?

edit: apparently titled "Avenue Q - Everybody's a little racist - Broadway Cast", a musical number with people and puppets that seems to highlight the hypocrisy that exists in us all though of course if everybody is a little bit racist then people trying to label others as racist should stick that label somewhere about their person, with vim and vigour.

e2a2: I have no idea if 'Avenue Q' is something I forgot from childhood (don't think so) but I've definitely heard of Broadway, that's the one with heads on pikes and where the only way through is to reverse through the barricade of piled-up old cars.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:54
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Really? Did you ask them?
You don't need to, it's clear for all to see that white people wishing restrictions on other white people immigrating to their country are doing so because they don't like brown people.

Duh!


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Old 03-01-2017, 17:00
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Meanwhile .. the immigration services of Africa , Asia and the Middle east are collapsing under the weight of people desperate to escape racist , facist unwelcoming Britain . Give me a f***ing break .
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:25
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No .................it was the death knell for common sense.
Ironic that the OP talks about a nation divided and you come out with a sneering, elitist, leftie remark like this. Why am I not surprised?

So, not wanting some human beings to come to the bit of the planet where one happens to have been born or live, based on nothing more than these human beings happen to have been born on a different part of the planet than the part on which you were born,
making them either human beings of a different nationality and or racial background, .....doesn't make one a racist?

Discriminating against a person or persons based only on their race/nationality is PRECISELY what racists do!!

It's the very definition of racism, it might not have the sheer hatred behind it that the more extreme racists feel towards the 'not us'
but it's still racism.
So many things wrong with this it's baffling. First of all, anyone that has concerns about the numbers of people entering a country and the effects on the infrastructure, crime rates, schooling, quality of life, medical care - they are automatically racist are they? Just because they want limits to the numbers of other human beings from other countries coming here? Racist? Do yourself, and everyone else, a favour and go buy a dictionary.

You've taken a huge leap from where most Brexiteers are on immigration and labelled them all as discriminatory. You say the lack of hatred behind it doesn't make it less racist - it's not racist in the slightest to want lower immigration numbers. If you really believe that then there isn't much hope for you.

The reason the country is divided is precisely because of people like you who accuse more than 17 million people of being racist just because you don't know what the word means!
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:32
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The poll isn't asking whether people are happier, nor does it ask them about their attitude towards race. Instead it asks whether people perceive that the country is more racist and less happy.

But since when does perception = fact? Surveys show that people think that there are a lot more muslims in the country than there are, that the unemployed cost a lot more money than they do etc. When these misperceptions are highlighted by contrasting actual hard data the media normally gets the blame.

So now for the last six months we have been told, by the media, that the country is more racist, so the same media than ask people if they agree. which they do, which is supposed to prove the media were right? Maybe, it just proves that people are gullible.

And why only ask about perception? Why not ask about the feelings and attitudes of the person answering the questions? Maybe because that wouldn't be quite as good a story. Nothings really changed, is not a great headline.

No survey I've seen shows that Britain is actually more racist and the polls I saw following the Brexit campaign tended to show that the racists were a very small part of those who voted to leave (e.g 13% of all leavers wanted immigrants who were already here legally, returned to their former country).

So a bunch of racist idiots get all emboldened after brexit and instead of being told to f*** off and die, like the insignificant idiots that they are, the media treat them as if they are representative of some great social change; maybe even the silent majority who voted for leave. What the f*** is that going to achieve other than embolden these idiots even further?
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:07
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The poll isn't asking whether people are happier, nor does it ask them about their attitude towards race. Instead it asks whether people perceive that the country is more racist and less happy.

But since when does perception = fact? Surveys show that people think that there are a lot more muslims in the country than there are, that the unemployed cost a lot more money than they do etc. When these misperceptions are highlighted by contrasting actual hard data the media normally gets the blame.

So now for the last six months we have been told, by the media, that the country is more racist, so the same media than ask people if they agree. which they do, which is supposed to prove the media were right? Maybe, it just proves that people are gullible.

And why only ask about perception? Why not ask about the feelings and attitudes of the person answering the questions? Maybe because that wouldn't be quite as good a story. Nothings really changed, is not a great headline.

No survey I've seen shows that Britain is actually more racist and the polls I saw following the Brexit campaign tended to show that the racists were a very small part of those who voted to leave (e.g 13% of all leavers wanted immigrants who were already here legally, returned to their former country).

So a bunch of racist idiots get all emboldened after brexit and instead of being told to f*** off and die, like the insignificant idiots that they are, the media treat them as if they are representative of some great social change; maybe even the silent majority who voted for leave. What the f*** is that going to achieve other than embolden these idiots even further?
You're right.
The irony is that it's often overlooked that these 'reports' may have an effect on how people feel, or are even designed to affect how people feel. Thus provoking a downwards spiral effect where people may feel more unhappy than before but don't even know why.
For example the people reading this thread may be polled after the thread itself has pissed them off. Which in turn gets reported that people are even more unhappy than before the thread was started.

If people resisted this tendency to wallow in misery which has been almost entirely projected onto them then they might start to cheer up a bit.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:37
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Less happy probably but I think that's across much of the world these days.

More racist? Well it depends on what your definition of racist is. Racist in my book is being prejudice against another based upon their race. Whereas it's popular to say racism is being anti mass immigration for example, which of course in reality isn't racist but many consider it to be.
Farage played the race card with his poster showing a line of Syrian refugees leaving a war zone rather than a line of white Eastern Europeans.

He knows he wouldn't have got the same effect showing a mass of blonde white twenty-something females rushing to live in the UK.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:42
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Farage played the race card with his poster showing a line of Syrian refugees leaving a war zone rather than a line of white Eastern Europeans.

He knows he wouldn't have got the same effect showing a mass of blonde white twenty-something females rushing to live in the UK.
Funny how that poster was only racist when Farage used it. When every news outlet and major newspaper used it back in March no one uttered a word.

People see what they want to see and the deliberate stoking up of non racist events as racists and you get the poll results Sky gave today
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:56
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He knows he wouldn't have got the same effect showing a mass of blonde white twenty-something females rushing to live in the UK.
That's because he used a real photo, not a photoshopped one. Look at all of the reports of immigrants scrambling to Europe - at least 90% of them are young, fit males. However, when other media outlets showed the photo, no one batted an eyelid. So in other words, it's only racist when those to the right of centre talk about it, right?
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:21
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England is the most densely populated country in Europe. Schools are bursting, you wait weeks to see your GP unless it's life and death, roads are jam packed, average house prices are ten times average salaries so young people cannot afford to build a future and our infrastructure and public transport system is under severe strain.

Quality of life drives happiness - not material wealth. And if you keep adding more people to the mix each year it's not going to get better.
And that is exactly why Nigel Farage struck a chord with so many people. He didn't stir up racism, he merely had the guts to tell the truth as it is for many people in the UK -unlike most of the other politicians whose priority was being politically correct and just routinely spinning the lie that everything was fine or that they were being racist to be concerned.

The people living in many of those areas where immigration is out of control looked around them and finally the penny dropped that they were being lied to as their quality of life continued to go downhill. Hardly a surprise there was a backlash.
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:34
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That's because he used a real photo, not a photoshopped one. Look at all of the reports of immigrants scrambling to Europe - at least 90% of them are young, fit males. However, when other media outlets showed the photo, no one batted an eyelid. So in other words, it's only racist when those to the right of centre talk about it, right?
It's not racist when it is factually reporting happenings in Europe.

It is racist when it is used as propaganda with a snappy 'spin' caption created to stir up irrational fear .

I don't understand how people don't see this.
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:13
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It's not racist when it is factually reporting happenings in Europe.

It is racist when it is used as propaganda with a snappy 'spin' caption created to stir up irrational fear .

I don't understand how people don't see this.
So in your world the EU has handled the refugee crisis perfectly, none of the million+ refugees/migrants/delete where applicable had any problem whatever, there have been no problems anywhere in the EU coping with such a huge influx and everyone's happy. No cause for concern whatsoever. That's good to know.
Meanwhile in the real world there have been one or two little problems because the EU had absolutely no clue what to do resulting in hundreds of thousands of unidentified and unidentifiable people coming in in a very short period of time and chaos in local services in the countries trying to cope.
Which is what the poster was pointing out, (just like it was used as an illustration of the chaos when the media used it) the failure of the EU for both the local population and the migrants.
But it's so much easier to just scream 'racist', Ian"t it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:28
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England is the most densely populated country in Europe. Schools are bursting, you wait weeks to see your GP unless it's life and death, roads are jam packed, average house prices are ten times average salaries so young people cannot afford to build a future and our infrastructure and public transport system is under severe strain.

Quality of life drives happiness - not material wealth. And if you keep adding more people to the mix each year it's not going to get better.
And who should we blame for this shambles? Of course, it's the Tories! But densely populated? I don't think so, most of the country is virtually uninhabited or in the hands of big landowners. It's us plebs who make up the dense population for putting up with it!
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:30
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So in your world the EU has handled the refugee crisis perfectly, none of the million+ refugees/migrants/delete where applicable had any problem whatever, there have been no problems anywhere in the EU coping with such a huge influx and everyone's happy. No cause for concern whatsoever. That's good to know.
Meanwhile in the real world there have been one or two little problems because the EU had absolutely no clue what to do resulting in hundreds of thousands of unidentified and unidentifiable people coming in in a very short period of time and chaos in local services in the countries trying to cope.
Which is what the poster was pointing out, (just like it was used as an illustration of the chaos when the media used it) the failure of the EU for both the local population and the migrants.
But it's so much easier to just scream 'racist', Ian"t it.

yes - there has been an Immigration crisis with huge numbers of people fleeing and ending up on the shores of European countries.

You say 'the EU hasn't handled it well' - well we are part of the EU too you know. It has been a crisis from which we are to a large extent shielded by a body of water. We are lucky - I don't think we should wash our hands of blame and responsibility though. The crisis needs dealing with - it's not going to go away. This is a time when there should be co-operation and consensus as to how to deal with it.

The problem is not going ton go away. It is shameful and cowardly to run away from it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:38
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So in your world the EU has handled the refugee crisis perfectly, none of the million+ refugees/migrants/delete where applicable had any problem whatever, there have been no problems anywhere in the EU coping with such a huge influx and everyone's happy. No cause for concern whatsoever. That's good to know.
Meanwhile in the real world there have been one or two little problems because the EU had absolutely no clue what to do resulting in hundreds of thousands of unidentified and unidentifiable people coming in in a very short period of time and chaos in local services in the countries trying to cope.
Which is what the poster was pointing out, (just like it was used as an illustration of the chaos when the media used it) the failure of the EU for both the local population and the migrants.
But it's so much easier to just scream 'racist', Ian"t it.
Your bias against the EU is ludicrous and prejudiced. Europe faces problems and so does the UK but you ain't seen nothing yet due to Brexit bigotry and foolishness.
Things will get an awful lot worse while you slump in your armchair full of complacency and ignorance in your strange little world of make-believe and nostalgia.
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:51
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yes - there has been an Immigration crisis with huge numbers of people fleeing and ending up on the shores of European countries.

You say 'the EU hasn't handled it well' - well we are part of the EU too you know. It has been a crisis from which we are to a large extent shielded by a body of water. We are lucky - I don't think we should wash our hands of blame and responsibility though. The crisis needs dealing with - it's not going to go away. This is a time when there should be co-operation and consensus as to how to deal with it.

The problem is not going ton go away. It is shameful and cowardly to run away from it.
The UK stance on this occasion was correct, to urge funds to camps in the ME, to triage those in need and offer asylum.

Merkel who had only weeks previously declared to a young girl that Germany could not take everyone clearly had a light bulb minute on how to solve her worker shortage and elevate herself to hero status, all horribly calculated...the thought that the fittest and wealthiest could run the gauntlet, refuse to be registered anywhere apart from Germany and the chaos and scorn heaped on countries who tried to go by EU regulations was abysmal.

If she wanted these people she could have told them to stop risking their lives, reduce the billion pound smuggling market, reduce the amount of unvetted individuals and flown them directly to Germany.
She could and should have paid her commitment to foreign aid.
There are 10's of thousands of individuals who have intentionally gone 'missing' from Germany, why would they do that and where are they?.
The billions it will now cost to try and deport these chancers is money spent that could have been far, far better used.
So yes co-operation should have been sought and yet we have Merkel often touted as the leader of the EU calling the shots with the likes of Junker backing her up like a ;ap dog and barking at everyone else.
I'm sure this makes me xenophobic, racist and all the names under the sun, but this imo is what many people have issue with.
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:56
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And who should we blame for this shambles? Of course, it's the Tories! But densely populated? I don't think so, most of the country is virtually uninhabited or in the hands of big landowners. It's us plebs who make up the dense population for putting up with it!
What's the population density rate compared to the rest of Europe?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:00
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Your bias against the EU is ludicrous and prejudiced. Europe faces problems and so does the UK but you ain't seen nothing yet due to Brexit bigotry and foolishness.
Things will get an awful lot worse while you slump in your armchair full of complacency and ignorance in your strange little world of make-believe and nostalgia.
Your vitriolic bias against Brexit knows no bounds.
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