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Not sure that you'd be that much better off on a middle income, as presumably tax rates would have to go up to pay for the basic income. Which would have to be set at a level where it doesn't penalise those in real need.
The cap now is already seeing people made homeless and that's 20-23k per year, so what would the level need to be here? Everyone gets 20k a year? |
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This sounds interesting. This article gives very little information, but with a small trial group it's easy to test, and see how it works. The current situation for unemployed people discourages looking for a job, as many times your immediate income decreases if you start working.
Only in a tiny fraction of cases might that be true. Creating law that applies to the majority when the problem is only applicable to a tiny minority does not produce a good result for the majority nor the country. |
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Only in a tiny fraction of cases might that be true.
Creating law that applies to the majority when the problem is only applicable to a tiny minority does not produce a good result for the majority nor the country. |
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Only in a tiny fraction of cases might that be true.
Creating law that applies to the majority when the problem is only applicable to a tiny minority does not produce a good result for the majority nor the country. If it improves the lives of people, it's worth a try. |
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You can't live on €560 in Finland, especially in major cities where only rent goes as high as €1000 p/m, and the cheapest pizza would be €15. Basic income should never be introduced as it is always worse than benefits. So, if you are poor or unemployed, you would not be able to make ends meet on Basic income. That's what they have tried in Switzerland and the people rejected it.
The proposed trial in Scotland and another aspect. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7505411.html Quote:
Under UBI, welfare benefits such as Jobseekers’ Allowance, working tax credits and state pensions are replaced by a single, unconditional flat-rate payment, regardless of whether the recipient is in work. Any money earned above this is subject to taxation.
There isn't any detail of how much they intend to pay but currently the tax free personal allowance is £11,000?? Finland pays approx. £5700 and the Netherlands £9,800. Odd disparity when they're both near the top of EU cost of living index, Finland higher than the Netherlands and the UK higher than both. |
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This sounds interesting. This article gives very little information, but with a small trial group it's easy to test, and see how it works. The current situation for unemployed people discourages looking for a job, as many times your immediate income decreases if you start working.
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In the Torygraph today it was reported that an experiment in Sweden where workers went to a 6hr day from an 8hr shift with no loss of pay has been abandoned with no plans to go back to it.
The benefits were out weighed by the losses. Having to employ more staff to make up the hours cost too much. |
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