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Old 03-01-2017, 13:15
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Cannot understand what some of the people who were awarded honours in the Queens birhday honours list did to deserve the award.Why was Andy Murray and Jessica Ennis Hill and Victoria Beckham another undeserving recipient as far as I am concerned plus all the hangers on.What about the people who do deserve a honour.Sports stars should wait untill they are a bit older.Another thing why are sports stars described as hero's that really bugs me.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:45
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Cannot understand what some of the people who were awarded honours in the Queens birhday honours list did to deserve the award.Why was Andy Murray and Jessica Ennis Hill and Victoria Beckham another undeserving recipient as far as I am concerned plus all the hangers on.What about the people who do deserve a honour.Sports stars should wait untill they are a bit older.Another thing why are sports stars described as hero's that really bugs me.
A bit hard to wait if someone else has nominated you.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:53
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What about the people who do deserve a honour.
You mean like the 95% of people on the list who have done good works but are not sports people, actors etc?

Another thing why are sports stars described as hero's that really bugs me.
From the Oxford English Dictionary.

Hero
A person who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
I think their outstanding achievements does make them heroes in my eyes. Certainly more so than say a paid killer in the armed forces who is labelled a hero just for signing up.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:02
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Cannot understand what some of the people who were awarded honours in the Queens birhday honours list did to deserve the award.Why was Andy Murray and Jessica Ennis Hill and Victoria Beckham another undeserving recipient as far as I am concerned plus all the hangers on.What about the people who do deserve a honour.Sports stars should wait untill they are a bit older.Another thing why are sports stars described as hero's that really bugs me.
In his defence I would point out that Andy Murray himself said that he thought he was far too young to receive a knighthood. From someone who is only now starting to reveal the merest glimmer of a personality, I think his remark will have done him a power of good in the popularity stakes.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:10
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Look what's the problem?

"Normal people" are given awards but the fact is, like all things in life, not all the best "normal people" get the publicity and award some may deem they deserve. We are not going to fire out knighthoods to 'Derrick from Scunthorpe' and 'Sheila from Bognor Regis' just because they raised some money for the local village raffle.

People decry 'sports stars'. Andy Murray was just a normal person at one point, who then dedicated his life to tennis and EARNED his fame and achievements. Why shouldn't he be honoured? He has given entertainment to millions, raised the profile of tennis and done something barely any other Brit has done before.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:16
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Look what's the problem?

"Normal people" are given awards but the fact is, like all things in life, not all the best "normal people" get the publicity and award some may deem they deserve. We are not going to fire out knighthoods to 'Derrick from Scunthorpe' and 'Sheila from Bognor Regis' just because they raised some money for the local village raffle.

People decry 'sports stars'. Andy Murray was just a normal person at one point, who then dedicated his life to tennis and EARNED his fame and achievements. Why shouldn't he be honoured? He has given entertainment to millions, raised the profile of tennis and done something barely any other Brit has done before.

If Andy Murray deserves an award for dedicating his life to tennis then surely his mother equally deserves a similar award
She is always there, as if they are joined at the hip
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:32
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Lynne Fauld's Wood agrees, for diff reasons. She just refused hers

"I think honours are really important and should be given to people who have done really good stuff.
"And I've changed laws and I've helped saved a lot of people's lives, so maybe I'm deserving of an honour, but I just wouldn't accept it while we still have party donors donating huge amounts of money and getting an honour.
she also reckoned she may have been nominated as a sop or tokenistic gesture "after she chaired a government independent review into the UK's system for the recall of dangerous products which she fears has now been "kicked into the long grass".

ie. never mind, have a medal instead?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38470922

and here's another:
Hillsborough campaigner Prof Phil Scraton also turned down an honour in the Queen's New Year Honours list. He refused to accept an OBE in protest "at those who remained unresponsive" to help families and survivors affected by the disaster.
He said he was also unwilling to accept "an honour tied in name to the 'British Empire'."
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:36
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The actors, sports stars and pop stars get the award for what, doing their job?

If they are good enough pop stars have their own industry honours, equally if they are good enough athletes will win titles and gold medals, why do they need OBEs, and so on.

The same is true of business men, people like Alen Sugar and Richard Brandson did not start charities they made themselves rich.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:42
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Every so often, somebody proposes that ''gongs'' be abolished, but it's all quite good fun really .......
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:46
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Cannot understand what some of the people who were awarded honours in the Queens birhday honours list did to deserve the award.Why was Andy Murray and Jessica Ennis Hill and Victoria Beckham another undeserving recipient as far as I am concerned plus all the hangers on.What about the people who do deserve a honour.Sports stars should wait untill they are a bit older.Another thing why are sports stars described as hero's that really bugs me.
You mean the majority on the list who the media do not talk about as they are not famous, more awards went to people who we do not know for service to the country or their community than anyone famous .

And you know we can nominate anyone we like so if you think you know someone who deserves it then why not nominate them rather than call for the whole system to be cancelled because the media concentrate on a few famous people.


https://www.gov.uk/honours/overview

Oh and they were the New Years honours not Birthday.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:04
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In his defence I would point out that Andy Murray himself said that he thought he was far too young to receive a knighthood.
Fair play to him for saying that and I agree. This idea that sports stars like Murray and Farah should be knighted at a young age when they still haven't finished their career doesn't seem right to me. I think it should be something awarded long after they've finished competing when you can look back at their achievements and also recognize things they've contributed off the court/track as ambassadors for sport etc..

That's how it always used to be. Take the likes of Bobby Charlton and Geoff Hurst. They won the World Cup for their county in 1966 - probably the biggest achievement in sport - but didn't get knighted until the 1990's when they were in their 60's. Similarly Paul McCartney was knighted in 1997, not back in the 1960's at the height of the Beatles success. That's how it should be, otherwise it devalues the whole thing IMO.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:20
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On a visit to Tesco's just now I glanced at the papers and the headline in one said the last survivor of the dam busters raid aged I think 85 was nominated for a honour and rightly so I think but what happens he was turned down now if anyone was a hero it was this brave man .How can you compare this gentleman to any of the others I mentioned earlier.Turned down and yet honours were given to Camerons cronies and pop stars and sports stars.Makes you want to weep.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:24
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On a visit to Tesco's just now I glanced at the papers and the headline in one said the last survivor of the dam busters raid aged I think 85 was nominated for a honour and rightly so I think but what happens he was turned down now if anyone was a hero it was this brave man .How can you compare this gentleman to any of the others I mentioned earlier.Turned down and yet honours were given to Camerons cronies and pop stars and sports stars.Makes you want to weep.
There are many Types of Heroes

They don't need comparing
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:25
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I think their outstanding achievements does make them heroes in my eyes.
Despite what the dictionary says, to me someone is only a hero if they have demonstrated actual bravery.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:46
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Cannot understand what some of the people who were awarded honours in the Queens birhday honours list did to deserve the award.Why was Andy Murray and Jessica Ennis Hill and Victoria Beckham another undeserving recipient as far as I am concerned plus all the hangers on.What about the people who do deserve a honour.Sports stars should wait untill they are a bit older.Another thing why are sports stars described as hero's that really bugs me.
I have no problem with people who have dedicated their lives to sport or work in charities or have done things to make or lives a little better like scientists etc
I would rather this than those made Lords because they are friends of a certain Prime Minister or have donated large sums of money to political parties.
The first have gained by their hard work and achievements the second are those who have friends in high places and can buy their way.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:49
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You mean like the 95% of people on the list who have done good works but are not sports people, actors etc?



From the Oxford English Dictionary.



I think their outstanding achievements does make them heroes in my eyes. Certainly more so than say a paid killer in the armed forces who is labelled a hero just for signing

up.
I would love to know we would cope without a army does not bear thinking about
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:52
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People like Alen Sugar and Richard Brandson did not start charities they made themselves rich.
At least they knew their proper names...
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:57
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Fair play to him for saying that and I agree. This idea that sports stars like Murray and Farah should be knighted at a young age when they still haven't finished their career doesn't seem right to me. I think it should be something awarded long after they've finished competing when you can look back at their achievements and also recognize things they've contributed off the court/track as ambassadors for sport etc..

That's how it always used to be. Take the likes of Bobby Charlton and Geoff Hurst. They won the World Cup for their county in 1966 - probably the biggest achievement in sport - but didn't get knighted until the 1990's when they were in their 60's. Similarly Paul McCartney was knighted in 1997, not back in the 1960's at the height of the Beatles success. That's how it should be, otherwise it devalues the whole thing IMO.
You mention Jack Charlton and Geoff Hurst so why did Bobby Moore the captain not get given a honour I am not a England supporter but I think he was one of the best players England have ever had.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:59
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Sir Ken Dodd.
Sir Ray Davies.
Sir Mo Farah.

Sounds pretty good to me.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:02
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You mention Jack Charlton and Geoff Hurst so why did Bobby Moore the captain not get given a honour I am not a England supporter but I think he was one of the best players England have ever had.
Bobby Moore received an OBE in 1967, Charlton received one in 1974, Hurst an MBE in 1975 and a knighthood in 1998
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:03
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There are many Types of Heroes

They don't need comparing
To me he was a real hero not like your obnoxious pop stars and vastly overpaid sports stars and I dont mean your local village football/cricket Teams but the one's on £250,000 a week.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:04
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I have no problem with people who have dedicated their lives to sport or work in charities or have done things to make or lives a little better like scientists etc
I would rather this than those made Lords because they are friends of a certain Prime Minister or have donated large sums of money to political parties.
The first have gained by their hard work and achievements the second are those who have friends in high places and can buy their way.
I agree with all you say
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:06
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On a visit to Tesco's just now I glanced at the papers and the headline in one said the last survivor of the dam busters raid aged I think 85 was nominated for a honour and rightly so I think but what happens he was turned down now if anyone was a hero it was this brave man .How can you compare this gentleman to any of the others I mentioned earlier.Turned down and yet honours were given to Camerons cronies and pop stars and sports stars.Makes you want to weep.
The armed forces already give out medals for recognition.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:06
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On a visit to Tesco's just now I glanced at the papers and the headline in one said the last survivor of the dam busters raid aged I think 85 was nominated for a honour and rightly so I think but what happens he was turned down now if anyone was a hero it was this brave man .How can you compare this gentleman to any of the others I mentioned earlier.Turned down and yet honours were given to Camerons cronies and pop stars and sports stars.Makes you want to weep.

This man was turned down yet Victoria Beckham gets an award basically for promoting brand Beckham
Ridiculous and absurd
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:06
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Bobby Moore received an OBE in 1967, Charlton received one in 1974, Hurst an MBE in 1975 and a knighthood in 1998
If Andy Murray was good enough to get a knighthood why not Booby Moore
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