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Old 03-01-2017, 16:08
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You mention Jack Charlton and Geoff Hurst so why did Bobby Moore the captain not get given a honour I am not a England supporter but I think he was one of the best players England have ever had.
Bobby Charlton was knighted in 1994 and Hurst in 1998.

Bobby Moore sadly died in 1993 so maybe missed out for that reason, as I don't think they get awarded after death.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:09
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If Andy Murray was good enough to get a knighthood why not Booby Moore
They did not tend to give them out to younger people back then, Hurst was 57 before he got his.


Bobby Charlton was knighted in 1994 and Hurst in 1998.

Bobby Moore sadly died in 1993 so maybe missed out for that reason, as I don't think they get awarded after death.
They don't the title dies with you and cease to exist though if male your widow can still call herself Lady plus your surname ( unless it is a hereditary peerage then it passes to your eldest son usually ) which is why when people called for Savile to be stripped of his knighthood it couldn't realistically be done as it no longer existed it died when he did.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:09
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Despite what the dictionary says, to me someone is only a hero if they have demonstrated actual bravery.
Why just bravery? A hero could be someone who does a lot for charity for example.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:10
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The armed forces already give out medals for recognition.
Yes I know about your Victoria Crosses and such but I think Knighthood would have been more deserving.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:17
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Yes I know about your Victoria Crosses and such but I think Knighthood would have been more deserving.
Do you know how prestigious an award the Victoria Cross is? that is awarding bravery beyond imagination

The reasons for the award are very different to Knighthood
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:20
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Despite what the dictionary says, to me someone is only a hero if they have demonstrated actual bravery.
Seeing as you're not dishing out the honours, it's largely irrelevant what your definition of a hero is. Do you propose only heroes (as per your definition) should receive honours?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:23
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Despite what the dictionary says, to me someone is only a hero if they have demonstrated actual bravery.
Farage was brave to take on the EU so is he one?
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:00
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No one deserves an honour just for doing their job however good thy are at it, as they have already been rewarded with pay, medals and trophies or both. Honours should be for people who do something that helps others and for which they get no other reward (financial or otherwise). Theyt should also do away with the Sevices To ... bollocks and actually list what a person did to deserve their honour.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:07
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No one deserves an honour just for doing their job however good thy are at it, as they have already been rewarded with pay, medals and trophies or both. Honours should be for people who do something that helps others and for which they get no other reward (financial or otherwise). Theyt should also do away with the Sevices To ... bollocks and actually list what a person did to deserve their honour.
The person/people who have nominated them will have to fill all that on the nomination form.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:23
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This man was turned down yet Victoria Beckham gets an award basically for promoting brand Beckham
Ridiculous and absurd
No he wasn't turned down, one of his friends simply wrote to the queen a couple of months ago suggesting he should get one, that isn't how you nominate somone for an honour, the link of how to do that was posted earlier in this thread.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:17
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Seeing as you're not dishing out the honours, it's largely irrelevant what your definition of a hero is. Do you propose only heroes (as per your definition) should receive honours?
No, I don't.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:18
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Why just bravery? A hero could be someone who does a lot for charity for example.
The word just implies a degree of bravery to me. Maybe I'm old-fashioned!
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:45
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Why just bravery? A hero could be someone who does a lot for charity for example.
They are very good people but they are not heroes.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:52
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The actors, sports stars and pop stars get the award for what, doing their job?
If you were the best in the world at your job, beating the best in the same field from other countries, I'd say you deserved a gong.

If they are good enough pop stars have their own industry honours, equally if they are good enough athletes will win titles and gold medals, why do they need OBEs, and so on.
They don't "need" them, they are nominated and are thus awarded them.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:36
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How will Andy Murray now be addressed by umpires and officials at tennis tournaments, particularly at Wimbledon, who being Wimbledon will presumably want to be seen to follow the correct etiquette.

Generally male players are referred to as Mr Surname or just Surname. e.g. "Mr Murray has won the toss and elected to serve", "Mr Murray has 2 challenges remaining" or "Game and first set Murray!".

He is no longer "Mister Murray" so will they now have to refer to him as "Sir Andy", as in "Sir Andy has challenged the line call", "Game, set and match Sir Andy!"?

Would be a bit weird wouldn't it?
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:47
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How will Andy Murray now be addressed by umpires and officials at tennis tournaments, particularly at Wimbledon, who being Wimbledon will presumably want to be seen to follow the correct etiquette.

Generally male players are referred to as Mr Surname or just Surname. e.g. "Mr Murray has won the toss and elected to serve", "Mr Murray has 2 challenges remaining" or "Game and first set Murray!".

He is no longer "Mister Murray" so will they now have to refer to him as "Sir Andy", as in "Sir Andy has challenged the line call", "Game, set and match Sir Andy!"?

Would be a bit weird wouldn't it?
I expect that the same protocol will apply as with actors who have titles. They are hardly ever credited on screen with their titles. I very much doubt that Sir Andy will want to be referred to as such on court.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:14
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I expect that the same protocol will apply as with actors who have titles. They are hardly ever credited on screen with their titles. I very much doubt that Sir Andy will want to be referred to as such on court.
Unless they are Sir Ben Kingsley of course.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:27
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I expect that the same protocol will apply as with actors who have titles. They are hardly ever credited on screen with their titles. I very much doubt that Sir Andy will want to be referred to as such on court.
Its slightly different though. If Anthony Hopkins was in a film or TV show you're right that he would probably just be credited as "Anthony Hopkins" and that would be fine. But I don't think he would ever be referred to as "Mr Hopkins", because he isn't a "Mr" anymore so that would be wrong.

I can't think that would ever be an issue for actors, but Wimbledon specifically refer to players as Mr Murray, Mr Djokovic etc so will they continue to do that for Murray and use the 'wrong' former title?
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:55
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In the real world, none of this actually matters - therefore, why do people feel so strongly about the validity of these honours?
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:39
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Look what's the problem?

"Normal people" are given awards but the fact is, like all things in life, not all the best "normal people" get the publicity and award some may deem they deserve. We are not going to fire out knighthoods to 'Derrick from Scunthorpe' and 'Sheila from Bognor Regis' just because they raised some money for the local village raffle.

People decry 'sports stars'. Andy Murray was just a normal person at one point, who then dedicated his life to tennis and EARNED his fame and achievements. Why shouldn't he be honoured? He has given entertainment to millions, raised the profile of tennis and done something barely any other Brit has done before.
Well we do give honours to Derrick and Sheila, but they have to be nominated first, that's the key.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:38
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Do you know how prestigious an award the Victoria Cross is? that is awarding bravery beyond imagination

The reasons for the award are very different to Knighthood
Victoria Crosses are rarer than hen's teeth, knighthoods are two a penny. Soldiers would much prefer the one over the other.

How will Andy Murray now be addressed by umpires and officials at tennis tournaments, particularly at Wimbledon, who being Wimbledon will presumably want to be seen to follow the correct etiquette.

Generally male players are referred to as Mr Surname or just Surname. e.g. "Mr Murray has won the toss and elected to serve", "Mr Murray has 2 challenges remaining" or "Game and first set Murray!".

He is no longer "Mister Murray" so will they now have to refer to him as "Sir Andy", as in "Sir Andy has challenged the line call", "Game, set and match Sir Andy!"?

Would be a bit weird wouldn't it?
Its not obligatory.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:47
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I don't agree with any of these awards. It's descended into farce and is just a mickey-take now. Giving out knighthoods to young folk who still have their whole lives ahead of them is ridiculous. If awards must be given, then it should be in a persons later years after a life well lived - more of a 'lifetime achievement' award.

They should not be given a 'title' - it is so old fashioned these days. 'Dame' sounds like the person is about 70 - it's daft for young people like Jessica Ennis-Hill, Kelly Holmes and Ellen McCarthur. Being 'knighted' for playing tennis or running a race or riding a bike is a nonsense. These folk are already well remunerated and decorated in their own fields. Why do they need more?

These awards are just meaningless and the more they are handed out willy-nilly the less they are worth.

No disrespect to Victoria Beckham - she has made a success of herself and good on her. But who on earth nominated her for an OBE? I am dreading the day her husband is knighted. Also Gary Barlow.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:11
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The person/people who have nominated them will have to fill all that on the nomination form.
It should be published so we know exactly why the tory doner for example got his knighthood rather than the meaningless service to politics, what was his actual service to politics and how did he improve it or was it just his donation that got him it? if a civil servent gets one, say what he/she has done to deserve it above and beyond what they're already paid to do? what did Andy Murray do to deserve a Knighthood that he hadn't already been rewarded for with trophies, millions in winnings and sponsorship deals?

If you were the best in the world at your job, beating the best in the same field from other countries, I'd say you deserved a gong.
They do anyway, in the case of sports people they get a medal or trophy, winners cheque and sponsorship deals as their reward for doing well, why do they deserve anything more? People that do just as well if not better at lesser sports with less prize money or prestige to make money from don't get them do they? and what they do doesn't improve the lives or lot of anyone else only themselves and their own families, so why is an extra award deserving? Now if they did something special using their fame to help raise money for deserving causes that required their time and effort like Sir Ian Botham did walking 1000's of miles to make millions for charity, then I'd say they deserved the extra honour, but not for putting in the effort for their own glory and bank balance.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:12
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I don't agree with any of these awards. It's descended into farce and is just a mickey-take now. Giving out knighthoods to young folk who still have their whole lives ahead of them is ridiculous. If awards must be given, then it should be in a persons later years after a life well lived - more of a 'lifetime achievement' award.

They should not be given a 'title' - it is so old fashioned these days. 'Dame' sounds like the person is about 70 - it's daft for young people like Jessica Ennis-Hill, Kelly Holmes and Ellen McCarthur. Being 'knighted' for playing tennis or running a race or riding a bike is a nonsense. These folk are already well remunerated and decorated in their own fields. Why do they need more?

These awards are just meaningless and the more they are handed out willy-nilly the less they are worth.

No disrespect to Victoria Beckham - she has made a success of herself and good on her. But who on earth nominated her for an OBE? I am dreading the day her husband is knighted. Also Gary Barlow.
To be honest, they won't give a shit what you think.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:18
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To be honest, they won't give a shit what you think.
LOL that is true!

It just is sickening all these celebrity types getting yet another pat on the back for bugger all apart from doing their well-paid jobs.
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