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Was that on Radio 4?
I laughed out loud when he could not answer the basic question put to him by Humphrys about the government's objective. Then I sobered a bit and realised just how shocking and perilous this is. Here we are, potentially just three months from triggering A50, and we have a prime-minister who seemingly doesn't know (or won't tell us) whether she wants us in the SM / Customs union or not. Quote:
Good for him...we all learn that trying to holding a dialogue with the deliberately deaf and terminally stupid eventually damages your health...get out why you still have your sanity mate would be my advice.
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IDS is claiming Rogers was not trusted by the Cabinet.
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There's no evidence of this and it sounds like a lame excuse by the Brexit camp to justify his absence. The idea being put forward that he would conspire with the EU to screw over Britain in the negotiations is a slur on his character.
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I never said he conspired with the EU. The comment you highlight was about any deal in any business. You never get the right commitment if their heart isn't in the job.
If you think "heart" should be in a job I'd suggest only playing the blues would qualify as one that needs that particular organ. |
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You are aware there are many thousands of civil servants working for the government who privately disagree with their policies? Should they all resign?
The current set up seems to involve shoving anyone aside who disagrees with you, |
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Yes that's true. I'm desperately trying to wean myself off of this forum - it's not good for my health.
![]() Supporting remain will do about as much good as resurrecting The Flat Earth Society.
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If Rogers is supposedly "untrustworthy", according to the whispers from Brexit Ministers, it does beg the question why they left him in situ as our Ambassador to the EU, where he has been involved in negotiating EU laws & regulations to ensure the best deal available for the UK on a daily basis, for the last six months.
That would appear to be a clear case of incompetence on their part. After all, if you can't manage something as simple as ensuring your own Ambassador is trustworthy, what hope is there of you managing to negotiate anything complicated? |
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Supporting remain will do about as much good as resurrecting The Flat Earth Society.
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Supporting remain will do about as much good as resurrecting The Flat Earth Society.
![]() I voted to remain. I am remoaner. I accept the referendum. I've got over it. I have two questions: What made Brexit happen ? Exactly what do Brexit supporters want included in the final exit deal (s) ? |
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I never said he conspired with the EU. The comment you highlight was about any deal in any business. You never get the right commitment if their heart isn't in the job.
The same applies to May and is one of the reason Cameron had to resign. |
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Oh the irony. From one with their head stuck truly in the past.
It's remainers who are stuck in it, full of nostalgia for that Golden Age. |
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If Rogers is supposedly "untrustworthy", according to the whispers from Brexit Ministers, it does beg the question why they left him in situ as our Ambassador to the EU, where he has been involved in negotiating EU laws & regulations to ensure the best deal available for the UK on a daily basis, for the last six months.
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Yes that's true. I'm desperately trying to wean myself off of this forum - it's not good for my health.
I've thought of doing it myself when I can't stand remainers' relentlessly repetitive negative posts. |
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Say what you really think of leavers, and get a ban. Cold Turkey, but good for you in the long run.
I've thought of doing it myself when I can't stand remainers' relentlessly repetitive negative posts. |
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Oh the irony. From one with their head stuck truly in the past.
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Or the yearning for the distant past when the dream of a one size must fit all federal state masquerading as a common market. Then came the fiscal meltdown of Greece, Italy, Portugal and the open borders fiasco that put paid to all that
This remainer also thought it was good that the UK managed to negotiate an opt out from "ever closer union". Shame we aren't getting it now. |
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Speaking the truth won't get you banned, only outright personal attacks will.
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This stereotype is news to remainers such as myself, who thinks the single market is important but thinks that the EU can eff off on the single superstate idea.
This remainer also thought it was good that the UK managed to negotiate an opt out from "ever closer union". Shame we aren't getting it now. Quote:
The Sun called on its “patriotic family of readers” to tell Jacques Delors – then President of the European Commission – “where to stuff his ECU”, the single currency that would become the Euro. They could do this by facing France, as one, at midday on Friday, November 2, 1990 and shouting "UP YOURS DELORS" across the Channel.
I think I've found the UK's Brexit strategy.
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I think I've found the UK's Brexit strategy.
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The past is before we decided to leave the EU.
It's remainers who are stuck in it, full of nostalgia for that Golden Age. |
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In 2012, Delors stated "If the British cannot support the trend towards more integration in Europe, we can nevertheless remain friends, but on a different basis. I could imagine a form such as a European economic area or a free-trade agreement."
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BIB, he wasn't, that's the role of commissioners and ministers. Rogers was in charge of a team to explain British policy to the EU institutions, the latest policy would of course be the decision to leave the EU.
And while it certainly is the job of Ministers, by the time they arrive in Brussels, the overwhelming majority of the "spadework" in negotiations has been done by: Quote:
The United Kingdom Permanent Representation to the European Union (UKRep) represents the UK in negotiations that take place in the EU.
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Ivan Rogers, the UK’s Permanent Representative to the EU, has overall responsibility for the work of the mission and represents the UK at weekly Committee of Permanent Representatives (Coreper II) meetings in the Council of the European Union. Coreper II deals largely with political, financial, justice, policing and foreign policy issues.
https://www.gov.uk/government/world/...tion-to-the-euIn other words, he is the guy who ensured that Ministers faced a shortlist of simplified choices and not a blizzard of detail and/or unpalatable options when they arrived in Brussels. You can't seriously believe that Ministers arrive unprepared in Brussels and then are expected to find and spend their time arguing over the meaning of Subclause xiii in Paragraph 3.4.6 on page 12 of a 30 page directive. ![]() PS And, although it is a nice attempt at deflection,it doesn't detract from the primary point which is, if the guy was untrustworthy, why wasn't he immediately sacked or recalled and re-assigned to a "neutral" post such as Ambassador to a South American country? |
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I think I've found the UK's Brexit strategy.
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This stereotype is news to remainers such as myself, who thinks the single market is important but thinks that the EU can eff off on the single superstate idea.
This remainer also thought it was good that the UK managed to negotiate an opt out from "ever closer union". Shame we aren't getting it now. |
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Sir Tim Barrow, former UK ambassador to Russia, has been appointed as the new ambassador to the EU....
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