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Old 04-01-2017, 22:37
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Am I the only one in thinking that this was part of the plan all along with the aim of deceiving the EU side?
Deceiving the EU about what?
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:41
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Which if you're right means we had in effect already lost our ability as a people to make the sovereign decision to leave the EU. Our worst fears as Brexiters would have in some ironic sense have been confirmed. We will I guess all have to like or lump our status as a semi-autonomous region of the EU.
It is certainly possible for a country to leave but it's something that would two or three years planning. The way I could see it work is a Eurosceptic party campaigning in a general election on a 'leave the EU' ticket, getting elected and then spending a couple of years in government putting preparations in place before finally triggering Article 50.

Holding a popular referendum on the subject, having no plans in place and you as the Government that are holding the referendum being completely opposed to the idea of leaving the EU, is the most chaotic and shambolic way of going about things and can only end badly.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:52
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It is certainly possible for a country to leave but it's something that would two or three years planning. The way I could see it work is a Eurosceptic party campaigning in a general election on a 'leave the EU' ticket, getting elected and then spending a couple of years in government putting preparations in place before finally triggering Article 50.

Holding a popular referendum on the subject, having no plans in place and you as the Government that are holding the referendum being completely opposed to the idea of leaving the EU, is the most chaotic and shambolic way of going about things and can only end badly.
Why do you even care what we in the UK are doing? You spend an inordinate amount of time posting on this subject.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:54
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Why do you even care what we in the UK are doing? You spend an inordinate amount of time posting on this subject.
Brexit will effect our country more than any other country in the EU, so of course we care about it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:57
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Brexit will effect our country more than any other country in the EU, so of course we care about it.
I agree. All the anti Brexit Irish posters are right to air their views on here. Ireland2day, Miasima Goria, Eurostar and yourself are excellent additions to this forum. Just because the UK is leaving the EU, doesn't mean we are turning our back on Ireland and her posters.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:59
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I agree. All the anti Brexit Irish posters are right to air their views on here.
Thank you.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:01
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Farage is already fuming over the appointment I see haha. Looks like we've gone with the right choice if it makes Farage unhappy.

Farage on twitter:
'Good to see that the government have replaced a knighted career diplomat with.... a knighted career diplomat.'
They have indeed made an excellent choice, he's not (at least publicly) either pro-EU or pro-Brexit. He's exactly what an ambassador is meant to be in this situation - very capable of getting on with both sides and delivering sound impartial advice to the PM and her team. He will understand we are leaving the EU.

Perhaps that was why the previous appointee either felt he couldn't continue or needed to be pushed.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:02
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Brexit will effect our country more than any other country in the EU, so of course we care about it.
It's all a waste of time though, isn't it?
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:10
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Happy to see the remainer Ivor go
How could he push something through he clearly didn't believe in or have any faith in
We need positivity not gloom and doom

BBC and sky news reporting it like someone died ...ridiculous
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:12
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BBC and sky news reporting it like someone died ...ridiculous
Well the BBC and Sky are clearly on the Remain side just as the Express and Daily Mail are clearly on the Leave side, don't see the problem to be honest.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:26
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Deceiving the EU about what?
Deceiving them into thinking that the UK government is competent, able to produce a plan for Brexit, and have a team of experienced negotiators ready?
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:30
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Happy to see the remainer Ivor go
How could he push something through he clearly didn't believe in or have any faith in
We need positivity not gloom and doom

BBC and sky news reporting it like someone died ...ridiculous
It will be Ivor WHO(?) within a week and he will be long forgotten by A50 in March.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:30
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Happy to see the remainer Ivor go
How could he push something through he clearly didn't believe in or have any faith in
We need positivity not gloom and doom

BBC and sky news reporting it like someone died ...ridiculous
Actually we need realism, or at least something concrete to base positivity on, blind optimism isn't enough for this, we're not buying a lottery ticket.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:45
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I agree. All the anti Brexit Irish posters are right to air their views on here. Ireland2day, Miasima Goria, Eurostar and yourself are excellent additions to this forum. Just because the UK is leaving the EU, doesn't mean we are turning our back on Ireland and her posters.
I should point out I live in the UK and have done so for a long time - my loyalties a very split on Brexit. One thing I will say though, is that I do think the UK is actually turning its back on Europe and the EU, regardless of what Brexit supporters like to think.

It might not happen with Brexit, but it certainly happen when the UK deviates from EU rules and regulations, making it harder to sell goods and service there.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:45
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Happy to see the remainer Ivor go
How could he push something through he clearly didn't believe in or have any faith in
Because that's what civil servants do for a living. Do you think that all of the people who do the actual work in government departments agree with the policies they have to implement?

In the US, thousands of people lose their jobs and are replaced when a new administration comes to power. We don't do that here
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Old Yesterday, 00:48
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Well the BBC and Sky are clearly on the Remain side just as the Express and Daily Mail are clearly on the Leave side, don't see the problem to be honest.
Because they aren't quite that upfront about it.

And in the BBC's case they are the state public broadcaster, they should really be impartial.
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Old Yesterday, 00:55
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Why do you even care what we in the UK are doing? You spend an inordinate amount of time posting on this subject.
Most Irish people take a very keen interest in Brexit (and in many other British news stories), it's not much different to the British posters here commenting on Donald Trump's election.

I have a lot of relatives too in the UK who will be directly affected of course.
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Old Yesterday, 01:17
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I should point out I live in the UK and have done so for a long time - my loyalties a very split on Brexit. One thing I will say though, is that I do think the UK is actually turning its back on Europe and the EU, regardless of what Brexit supporters like to think.

It might not happen with Brexit, but it certainly happen when the UK deviates from EU rules and regulations, making it harder to sell goods and service there.
My own thoughts are that it's the reverse. The EU is turning it's back on the UK.
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Old Yesterday, 01:38
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My own thoughts are that it's the reverse. The EU is turning it's back on the UK.
But it's the UK that have opted to leave - thus turning their backs on the EU.

How do you see the EU turning their backs on us exactly? Is your head on back to front or something?
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Old Yesterday, 01:53
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My own thoughts are that it's the reverse. The EU is turning it's back on the UK.
If they're turning their backs, it's because they're getting sick of the petulant attitude from the UK government, some sections of the UK media, and gobshites like Farage.
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Old Yesterday, 01:56
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If they're turning their backs, it's because they're getting sick of the petulant attitude from the UK government, some sections of the UK media, and gobshites like Farage.
Maybe they are turning their backs because the EU is in decline as a concept and have their own domestic fires to put out.
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Old Yesterday, 02:23
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Maybe they are turning their backs because the EU is in decline as a concept and have their own domestic fires to put out.
27 other countries don't seem to think so.
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Old Yesterday, 02:42
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27 other countries don't seem to think so.
If you read up on what they think, many many leaders of the other 27 nations range from dissatisfied and pathetic to annoyed and angry at the state of the EU. The EU is not a happy bunny and many inside the EU are warning of its destruction - including the EU vice president himself.
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Old Yesterday, 03:10
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It is certainly possible for a country to leave but it's something that would two or three years planning. The way I could see it work is a Eurosceptic party campaigning in a general election on a 'leave the EU' ticket, getting elected and then spending a couple of years in government putting preparations in place before finally triggering Article 50.

Holding a popular referendum on the subject, having no plans in place and you as the Government that are holding the referendum being completely opposed to the idea of leaving the EU, is the most chaotic and shambolic way of going about things and can only end badly.
Congratulations on your excellent summary of the common-sense way of approaching a sensible and planned withdrawal from the EU. If only the slippery crew of right-wing spivs and carpet-baggers who have seized power in the UK would take note. Your wise words should be blazoned across the media.
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Old Yesterday, 04:37
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If you read up on what they think, many many leaders of the other 27 nations range from dissatisfied and pathetic to annoyed and angry at the state of the EU. The EU is not a happy bunny and many inside the EU are warning of its destruction - including the EU vice president himself.
That's a very interesting interpretation of the situation. Firstly, no country has even talking about leaving the EU other than the UK. Some countries are pushing for more integration, others want less. But a consensus will be reached.

Unlike here, where deviation from the new norm results in having to resign, or suffer death threats and abuse.

Once the UK has left the EU, I suspect it will develop a core of closely knit, protectionist economies

BIB - can you not bring yourself to say his name - are you afraid he will appear in you office, like Candyman?
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