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'We' didn't fight two world wars to become part of Europe, we fought the 2nd world war to stop Gt Britain becoming part of Europe, how do you think our dead, injured and displaced would have thought of us joining the EU?
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Why are the thoughts of the dead, injured and displaced worth more mention that the survivors?
Edward Heath was in the army in WWII. |
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Ask Mr Oleo Strut, he brought up the dead and injured and displaced,most of my family were in the forces in WW2, some of my family fought and died in WW1...
i can't speak for all of them but those I can speak for were happy that there was peace and co-operation throughout Europe. There was always a certaind amount of mistrust with regard to Germany but I think the consensus was that it was better working with them than against them. That' certainly how I see it. |
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My family too fought in WW2 - my family lived through the Blitz and were bombed out more than once.
i can't speak for all of them but those I can speak for were happy that there was peace and co-operation throughout Europe. There was always a certaind amount of mistrust with regard to Germany but I think the consensus was that it was better working with them than against them. That' certainly how I see it. |
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'We' didn't fight two world wars to become part of Europe, we fought the 2nd world war to stop Gt Britain becoming part of Europe, how do you think our dead, injured and displaced would have thought of us joining the EU?
WW1 was an entirely different kettle of fish and was caused by nationalism in Britain, France and Germany plus other factors such as the situation in the Balkans. It's certainly not the case that the British and French were the good guys in WW1 and everyone else the bad guys : all sides were equally to blame for starting that war, in effect everyone was the bad guy, including the Brits. |
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The Nazi regime was expansionist (though had no particular desire to invade Britain or subsume it into the Reich).
WW1 was an entirely different kettle of fish and was caused by nationalism in Britain, France and Germany plus other factors such as the situation in the Balkans. It's certainly not the case that the British and French were the good guys in WW1 and everyone else the bad guys : all sides were equally to blame for starting that war, in effect everyone was the bad guy, including the Brits. |
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So, are you saying the RAF didn't fight the Battle of Britain to stop a German invasion?
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Yes they did, but only after Britain had declared war on Germany. That's the only reason they wanted to invade either you or France, previous to that their expansionist ambitions had all been in the East.
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So, are you saying the RAF didn't fight the Battle of Britain to stop a German invasion?
The Germans would have been in no position to mount an invasion of Britain though. The British had a huge number of soldiers available to defend the country and a strong Royal Navy. |
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History seems to say that Hitler (although he had plans anyway) turned East after the Luftwaffe lost the Battle of Britain, the RAF expended many lives and bombs bombing landing craft moored in harbours in France
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Correct. What the Nazis were trying to do was bomb the British into submission and come up with a 'peace settlement' where Churchill would call off the war and give Hitler a free hand to do whatever he liked on the continent.
The Germans would have been in no position to mount an invasion of Britain though. The British had a huge number of soldiers available to defend the country and a strong Royal Navy. |
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Er..no. Hitler turned east before the war, that was kind of the whole cause of it. Remember Poland? He turned on France and Britain when they declared war on Germany because Stalin had been temporarily bribed with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. His ambitions were always east of Germany, not west or north.
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You do understand what the two words "utter destruction" means don't you? You are aware aren't you that many developed countries - Australia, USA, Canada, Japan, New Zealand ..... - are not members of the EU yet have functioning economies? You are aware arn't you that EU/UK trade is only some 12% of our economy and that most of that trade will continue after Brexit? Utter destruction .... utter bollox!
A more equivalent situation would be for Canada to pull out of NAFTA or for new Zealand to pull out of their FTA with Australia |
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Are you actually saying that after Dunkirk England was in a position to defend itself?, the 'little boats' brought back 36,000 troops, not all of which were English, 'we' only came into a position to defend ourselves, and invade Europe was when Hitler declared war on the USA
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He never had any plans to invade Britain (partly because he knew that such an undertaking would be a logistical nightmare and perhaps doomed to failure).
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Er..no. Hitler turned east before the war, that was kind of the whole cause of it. Remember Poland? He turned on France and Britain when they declared war on Germany because Stalin had been temporarily bribed with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. His ambitions were always east of Germany, not west or north.
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So, why did the Germans send fighter squadron over, they were there to take the RAF out of the equation, and, why did the Germans go to all the trouble and expense of building landing craft and sending them to France, Hitler actually invaded Russia in June 1941??
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Hitler did those things because Britain and France declared war on Germany. And they declared war on Germany because Hitler had invaded Poland, not because they were under any threat of invasion themselves.
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We were not under any threat of invasion until Hitler took France, he then had plans (Operation Sea Lion) to invade Britain, it was only when Goering failed to beat the RAF did he change his plans.
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Operation Sea Lion was a product of the war, not a product of any German ambitions to colonise Britain. The only reason for any of those things is that Britain stood in the way of Hitler's ambitions to expand the Third Reich eastwards.
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Hitler most certainly had plans to 'colonise' Britain, but only when we said we would not sue for peace
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[quote=Cheetah666;85065992]Yeah, you're getting way off the point. Britain did not fight WW2 to avoid being invaded by Germany, if that was all your ancestors had been worried about they could have just kept out of it and Germany wouldn't have bothered coming near you. His ambitions all lay in the east of Europe and it was to stop German expansionism to the east that Britain and France declared war.[/QUOTE]
We were under an obligation to assist Poland when Hitler invaded it in 1939, France being an ally of Britain declared war on Germany both because Hitler invaded Poland. we couldn't keep out of it really. |
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We were under an obligation to assist Poland when Hitler invaded it in 1939, France being an ally of Britain declared war on Germany. we couldn't keep out of it really/
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Most Irish people take a very keen interest in Brexit (and in many other British news stories), it's not much different to the British posters here commenting on Donald Trump's election.
I have a lot of relatives too in the UK who will be directly affected of course. Ireland fought a war to gain independence from Britain, but you accept the tyranny of Draghi and co with barely a murmur. |
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Nobody's disputing that. But your contention that that generation of Brits went to war to keep Britain out of Europe is completely inaccurate. If they'd wanted to keep Britain out of Europe they would have not declared war and let Hitler get on with invading eastern European countries. They went to war to keep countries like Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia out of Hitler's clutches.
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