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Old Yesterday, 22:03
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That's a very interesting interpretation of the situation. Firstly, no country has even talking about leaving the EU other than the UK. Some countries are pushing for more integration, others want less. But a consensus will be reached.

Unlike here, where deviation from the new norm results in having to resign, or suffer death threats and abuse.

Once the UK has left the EU, I suspect it will develop a core of closely knit, protectionist economies

BIB - can you not bring yourself to say his name - are you afraid he will appear in you office, like Candyman?
Euro scepticism has been slowly increasing in a number of countries for some years.
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Old Yesterday, 22:06
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Where did that come from? I cannot remember saying that we fought WW1 or WW2 to keep Britain out of Europe, the one and only reason we fought WW2 was because of Germany's invasion of Poland
In post #375 you said...

We' didn't fight two world wars to become part of Europe,we fought the 2nd world war to stop Gt Britain becoming part of Europe, how do you think our dead, injured and displaced would have thought of us joining the EU?
That's what I was responding to.
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Old Yesterday, 22:09
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In post #375 you said...



That's what I was responding to.
The bit about us fighting to stop Britain becoming part of Europe was with respect that we fought in the 1940's to stop Germany invading Gt Britain and making it part of Europe, should have explained myself better.
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Old Yesterday, 22:11
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The bit about us fighting to stop Britain becoming part of Europe was with respect that we fought in the 1940's to stop Germany invading Gt Britain and making it part of Europe, should have explained myself better.
OK. I think its best if the war rhetoric is kept out of the Brexit debate altogether, the two situations are very different, and the EU is not Nazi Germany.
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Old Yesterday, 22:13
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OK. I think its best if the war rhetoric is kept out of the Brexit debate altogether, the two situations are very different, and the EU is not Nazi Germany.
The mods will delete this thread if 'we' do not keep on topic, but thanks for the discussion
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Old Yesterday, 22:15
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The mods will delete this thread if 'we' do not keep on topic, but thanks for the discussion
You're welcome.
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Old Yesterday, 22:16
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Don't you think that all the dead, injured and displaced of two world wars would have happily changed places with us and our European world if they could? Surely, we have a duty to respect their sacrifice and cooperate closely with our European neighbours so as to continue to avoid future problems. The EU is evolving and the UK needs to be right in the centre of it, not skulking in the long grass, cold and isolated,
Pity I wasn't a member of DS in the late nineties, if DS existed then. Had I been I'd have voiced the fear I then felt, that the euro would mean that there'd come a point when the divergent economic interests of its members would it under pressure, with much bad feeling between states. And that as Europe is possibly the most warlike continent on earth, this was scary. Now we see what I feared coming to be, with the animosity between Greece and Germany being only the most extreme example of mutual animosity.

Euro scepticism is growing, not because of the efforts of dedicated euro sceptics, but the EU elite, who are ignoring the interests of the people.
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Old Yesterday, 22:40
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Pity I wasn't a member of DS in the late nineties, if DS existed then. Had I been I'd have voiced the fear I then felt, that the euro would mean that there'd come a point when the divergent economic interests of its members would it under pressure, with much bad feeling between states. And that as Europe is possibly the most warlike continent on earth, this was scary. Now we see what I feared coming to be, with the animosity between Greece and Germany being only the most extreme example of mutual animosity.

Euro scepticism is growing, not because of the efforts of dedicated euro sceptics, but the EU elite, who are ignoring the interests of the people.
The extreme animosity between Greece and Gremany, Europe the most warlike continent on Earth?
These are very strong statement which lead me to believe you are living in some sort of past life,
You don't see Greeks shooting Germans in nightclubs or killing Germans at Christmas markets? the issues we face today are well beyound the issues that were faced by Europe in the world wars, the European nations have grown and are beyound that one would hope, there are other global issues out there, but let's not let that get in the way of a good all Europe bashing or Euro Bashing whatever it is.
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Old Yesterday, 22:42
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I didn't know you're Irish till now, but it explains your enthusiasm for the EU. After all, when your banks went bust the kind chaps at the EU only made you pay 70 billion euros to the banks investors, who include Barclays Bank and the Rothschild's. I bet you're delighted to be paying higher taxes for their benefit!

Ireland fought a war to gain independence from Britain, but you accept the tyranny of Draghi and co with barely a murmur.
It it's no great secret that most Irish people would be pro-EU. Part of the way the country established its independence from 1922 onwards was in establishing links with Europe, they were natural bedfellows as they were 'not British'.

The ECB took a hammering in Ireland over its insistence that the country not burn the bondholders in 2010, there was a lot of anger over it but people also realised Ireland itself had contributed greatly to the crisis, it would be no use looking for an outside scapegoat to blame everthing on (which would be the usual Daily Express tactic).
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Old Yesterday, 23:40
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I found this a really interesting read.


https://www.ft.com/content/4434bb14-...b-680c49b4b4c0


At this point Mr Johnson is inclined to stand up and proclaim that all will be fine. The 27 will give Britain what it wants in their own self-interest. They will have in mind safeguarding Britain’s substantial imports of Italian prosecco, luxury German cars and French wine.

There are two manifest flaws here: the first that Britain is a much smaller market for its partners than is the union for Britain; the second is the unlearnt lesson that most other Europeans do not look through the same narrow, transactional lens. The EU has a meaning and purpose beyond the export of bottles of fizz and expensive cars
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Old Yesterday, 23:54
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The extreme animosity between Greece and Gremany, Europe the most warlike continent on Earth?
These are very strong statement which lead me to believe you are living in some sort of past life,
You don't see Greeks shooting Germans in nightclubs or killing Germans at Christmas markets? the issues we face today are well beyound the issues that were faced by Europe in the world wars, the European nations have grown and are beyound that one would hope, there are other global issues out there, but let's not let that get in the way of a good all Europe bashing or Euro Bashing whatever it is.
Very true. Greece's problems were, sadly for ordinary Greeks, their own fault and not that of anybody else. The EU bailed them out at a price. Will the EU similarly help the UK when Brexit goes belly-up?
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Old Today, 00:16
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Don't you think that all the dead, injured and displaced of two world wars would have happily changed places with us and our European world if they could? Surely, we have a duty to respect their sacrifice and cooperate closely with our European neighbours so as to continue to avoid future problems. The EU is evolving and the UK needs to be right in the centre of it, not skulking in the long grass, cold and isolated,
My late father who served in the Second World War would most certainly have voted for Brexit, so don't try to use their memory to fight your cause.
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