Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“Yet the Greeks show no appetite whatsoever to leave the EU or EZ.”
“Yet the Greeks show no appetite whatsoever to leave the EU or EZ.”
Not in the best of cheer though.
UK ambassador to EU resigns in row over Brexit
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Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Not really - sometimes it's rather pointless.”
“Not really - sometimes it's rather pointless.”
A bit like your post then.
Originally Posted by Miasima Goria:
“He has also quit the civil service
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role”
“He has also quit the civil service
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role”
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Originally Posted by Miasima Goria:
“He has also quit the civil service
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role”
“He has also quit the civil service
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role”
A sad loss for the Civil Service.
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“A sad loss for the Civil Service.”
“A sad loss for the Civil Service.”
Here you have the man who negotiated the great deal that Cameron proposed to the British people at the referendum. No loss at all.
Originally Posted by Miasima Goria:
“He has also quit the civil service
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role”
“He has also quit the civil service
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role”
I'm sure the big consultancy firms will be lining up to offer him a job. Someone with his connections in Westminster and Brussels is very valuable.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I'm sure the big consultancy firms will be lining up to offer him a job. Someone with his connections in Westminster and Brussels is very valuable.”
“I'm sure the big consultancy firms will be lining up to offer him a job. Someone with his connections in Westminster and Brussels is very valuable.”
From one trough to another.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I'm sure the big consultancy firms will be lining up to offer him a job. Someone with his connections in Westminster and Brussels is very valuable.”
“I'm sure the big consultancy firms will be lining up to offer him a job. Someone with his connections in Westminster and Brussels is very valuable.”
He'll be back working as a consultant earning twice as much. That's how it works.
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“What exactly are you implying here?”
“What exactly are you implying here?”
Why bother asking? Do you think you'll get a sensible answer?
It's just unbelievable reading some of the stuff on here TBH. A guy who's worked hard and made a success in his career is derided and sneered at because he's decided to quit his job as he is unhappy with the direction it's gong. Don't people do that all the time?
The spite and jealousy aimed at people who've made a success of their lives and who have principles (on this thread and others) is beyond belief.
Sad - jealous, people.
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“He'll be back working as a consultant earning twice as much. That's how it works.”
“He'll be back working as a consultant earning twice as much. That's how it works.”
Quite possibly he'll end up at Global Counsel (https://www.global-counsel.co.uk/brexit) the consultancy firm set up by Peter Mandelson
Originally Posted by Sluger:
“From one trough to another.”
“From one trough to another.”
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“What exactly are you implying here?”
“What exactly are you implying here?”
Sorry not going to debate with someone who needs the simplest statement explaining to them.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Why bother asking? Do you think you'll get a sensible answer?
It's just unbelievable reading some of the stuff on here TBH. A guy who's worked hard and made a success in his career is derided and sneered at because he's decided to quit his job as he is unhappy with the direction it's gong. Don't people do that all the time?
The spite and jealousy aimed at people who've made a success of their lives and who have principles (on this thread and others) is beyond belief.
Sad - jealous, people.”
“Why bother asking? Do you think you'll get a sensible answer?
It's just unbelievable reading some of the stuff on here TBH. A guy who's worked hard and made a success in his career is derided and sneered at because he's decided to quit his job as he is unhappy with the direction it's gong. Don't people do that all the time?
The spite and jealousy aimed at people who've made a success of their lives and who have principles (on this thread and others) is beyond belief.
Sad - jealous, people.”
He's a civil servant who is paid to carry out the instructions of the elected government, if his political views get in the way then it is appropriate he is either fired, or resigns.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Why bother asking? Do you think you'll get a sensible answer?
It's just unbelievable reading some of the stuff on here TBH. A guy who's worked hard and made a success in his career is derided and sneered at because he's decided to quit his job as he is unhappy with the direction it's gong. Don't people do that all the time?
The spite and jealousy aimed at people who've made a success of their lives and who have principles (on this thread and others) is beyond belief.
Sad - jealous, people.”
“Why bother asking? Do you think you'll get a sensible answer?
It's just unbelievable reading some of the stuff on here TBH. A guy who's worked hard and made a success in his career is derided and sneered at because he's decided to quit his job as he is unhappy with the direction it's gong. Don't people do that all the time?
The spite and jealousy aimed at people who've made a success of their lives and who have principles (on this thread and others) is beyond belief.
Sad - jealous, people.”
He has spent his entire career in the civil service and negotiated the appalling deal Cameron got last year which played a large part in delivering the Brexit vote - as it showed how impotent we were in the EU even with the threat of our referendum.
For those who wanted Brexit he did a great job - but perhaps for the next stage of negotiating Brexit we need someone who can actually negotiate a decent deal.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“He has spent his entire career in the civil service and negotiated the appalling deal Cameron got last year which played a large part in delivering the Brexit vote - as it showed how impotent we were in the EU even with the threat of our referendum.
For those who wanted Brexit he did a great job - but perhaps for the next stage of negotiating Brexit we need someone who can actually negotiate a decent deal.”
“He has spent his entire career in the civil service and negotiated the appalling deal Cameron got last year which played a large part in delivering the Brexit vote - as it showed how impotent we were in the EU even with the threat of our referendum.
For those who wanted Brexit he did a great job - but perhaps for the next stage of negotiating Brexit we need someone who can actually negotiate a decent deal.”
But Britain has not many cards to play.
And Merkel takes no prisoners. And remember the EU did not kick or vote ye out, you did that yourselves. Ye need the deal because of the position you are now in, the EU does not have to deliver a deal, May does, and she has to deliver a deal to her people.
It's the EU in the driving seat here AGAIN, just like it was with Cameron's administration.
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“But Britain has not many cards to play.
And Merkel takes no prisoners. And remember the EU did not kick or vote ye out, you did that yourselves. Ye need the deal because of the position you are now in, the EU does not have to deliver a deal, May does, and she has to deliver a deal to her people.
It's the EU in the driving seat here.”
“But Britain has not many cards to play.
And Merkel takes no prisoners. And remember the EU did not kick or vote ye out, you did that yourselves. Ye need the deal because of the position you are now in, the EU does not have to deliver a deal, May does, and she has to deliver a deal to her people.
It's the EU in the driving seat here.”
Your reference to Merkel is interesting. It's quite obvious that she alone is the EU these days.
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“It's the EU in the driving seat here AGAIN, just like it was with Cameron's administration.”
“It's the EU in the driving seat here AGAIN, just like it was with Cameron's administration.”
So the EU really were in charge all along? Isn't that a somewhat brexiter point of view?
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“But Britain has not many cards to play.
And Merkel takes no prisoners. And remember the EU did not kick or vote ye out, you did that yourselves. Ye need the deal because of the position you are now in, the EU does not have to deliver a deal, May does, and she has to deliver a deal to her people.
It's the EU in the driving seat here AGAIN, just like it was with Cameron's administration.”
“But Britain has not many cards to play.
And Merkel takes no prisoners. And remember the EU did not kick or vote ye out, you did that yourselves. Ye need the deal because of the position you are now in, the EU does not have to deliver a deal, May does, and she has to deliver a deal to her people.
It's the EU in the driving seat here AGAIN, just like it was with Cameron's administration.”
Even if all the above was true, GB has decided it does not want to be craven to Merkel / EU, call it what you will. Some smaller countries may feel they have no choice but to do what she / it says. That is not the case here where we are big and strong enough to take the rough with the smooth for a while and forge a new worldwide direction.
In any case the Merkel / EU looks pretty 'sick man of Europe' right now and will have plenty of its own troubles to deal with, not just our escape, in the coming years, from national elections to Trump's presidency.
Originally Posted by burneside:
“Your reference to Merkel is interesting. It's quite obvious that she alone is the EU these days.”
“Your reference to Merkel is interesting. It's quite obvious that she alone is the EU these days.”
When it came to Ireland, Spain, Greece and Portugal by and large she did call the shots just like she dismissed the notion of eurozone wide government bonds.
And some British commentators and politicians argue that Britain is such a bigger and more important country to the one's named above but what escapes the minds of the likes of the Farages, Goves and Smiths is that the upcoming negotiations are not talks to keep Britain in the EU, the final deal if there is to be one is not going to be put to a public vote in Britain so any ideas that Britain holds strong cards is just La La land and fantasy talk.
If he resigned as ambassador, how could he still be a civil servant and then resign AGAIN from the civil service?
You don't resign from a post but stay employed by the company. What were we paying for?
Was he still drawing a civil service salary after he resigned as ambassador.
You don't resign from a post but stay employed by the company. What were we paying for?
Was he still drawing a civil service salary after he resigned as ambassador.
Originally Posted by ireland2day:
“When it came to Ireland, Spain, Greece and Portugal by and large she did call the shots just like she dismissed the notion of eurozone wide government bonds.
And some British commentators and politicians argue that Britain is such a bigger and more important country to the one's named above but what escapes the minds of the likes of the Farages, Goves and Smiths is that the upcoming negotiations are not talks to keep Britain in the EU, the final dealmif there is to be one is not going to be put to a public vote in Britain so any ideas that Btitain holds strong cards is just La La land and fantasy talk.”
“When it came to Ireland, Spain, Greece and Portugal by and large she did call the shots just like she dismissed the notion of eurozone wide government bonds.
And some British commentators and politicians argue that Britain is such a bigger and more important country to the one's named above but what escapes the minds of the likes of the Farages, Goves and Smiths is that the upcoming negotiations are not talks to keep Britain in the EU, the final dealmif there is to be one is not going to be put to a public vote in Britain so any ideas that Btitain holds strong cards is just La La land and fantasy talk.”
The cards we hold are our own - and that will do.
Originally Posted by Doctor_Wibble:
“So the EU really were in charge all along? Isn't that a somewhat brexiter point of view?”
“So the EU really were in charge all along? Isn't that a somewhat brexiter point of view?”
Did you think Britain was in charge?
The EU is a club, it has rules, you don't like them, leave.
But when you leave, you must also leave any delusions behind too.
The notion Britain will get a good deal is preposterous.
Originally Posted by scott789s:
“If he resigned as ambassador, how could he still be a civil servant and then resign AGAIN from the civil service?
You don't resign from a post but stay employed by the company. What were we paying for?
Was he still drawing a civil service salary after he resigned as ambassador.”
“If he resigned as ambassador, how could he still be a civil servant and then resign AGAIN from the civil service?
You don't resign from a post but stay employed by the company. What were we paying for?
Was he still drawing a civil service salary after he resigned as ambassador.”
You mean in the whole 4 days between the two resignations?
He's going to get 3 months salary in lieu of working his notice period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-envoy-role
Originally Posted by burneside:
“Over eight million people voted to leave the Common Market in 1975, how do you know they weren't the wartime generation?”
“Over eight million people voted to leave the Common Market in 1975, how do you know they weren't the wartime generation?”
Seems we apparently cannot criticise Heath as he served in the war. So did millions of others - our parents and grandparents.
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