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No point having a former advisor to Ken Clarke and Blair leading our negotiations to leave the EU. You need someone doing the job who actually supports Brexit and isn't trying to sabotage it.
It's like putting a fox in charge of security for a chicken coop. |
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As I said in the other thread, it sounds like the government is taking on the stupid Brexiter trait of "ignore the facts and criticise those whose job it is to establish them", so they've fired this guy for not telling May and the three stooges what they want to hear.
Quite. Instead of a civil servant, who spends their whole career intentionally being neutral, and whose job it is to represent the country and negotiate on a professional and level headed basis, we should get Nige to do it. No bias there at all. We can pay him in beer and fags. ![]() ![]() ![]() Civil servant neutral They mostly run the show with politicians being their front men/women.
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He was due to leave in November anyway so best he goes now. You don't want to just get started with negotiations and then one of your key players jumps ship. Plus he is totally against us leaving the EU so his heart wouldn't be in it anyway.
Best to get someone in place who is pro-Brexit and able to see the whole negotiation through to the end. |
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He was due to leave in November anyway so best he goes now. You don't want to just get started with negotiations and then one of your key plays jumps ship. Plus he is totally against us leaving the EU so his heart wouldn't be in it anyway.
Best to get someone in place who is pro-Brexit and able to see the whole negotiation through to the end. |
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No great surprise. I doubt a former private secretary to Ken Clarke, principal private secretary to Tony Blair, Cameron's chief adviser during his infamous re-negotiations and someone who reckons it would take 10 years to complete a deal with the EU is the best person to be involved in Brexit negotiations.
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What an utter car crash.
The button will be pressed by the deluded fools who believe all will be fine. Events are going to eat them up, totally. “Despite the fixation of the UK press on the triggering of Article 50, the key moment in the next six months will not be this but the EU response to it. The likely scenario is one of familiar EU negotiating territory: long interludes of tedium and small print, interspersed with episodes of late-night brinkmanship, leading eventually to a compromise that satisfies no-one but with which everyone can live. However, if the continental consensus is that the UK is still living on Fantasy Island, we could be heading for a showdown sooner than anyone expects." source: http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uplo...-months-on.pdf Quote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Hammond doesn't join them when the going starts to get really tough.
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...... the typical crass comments from Farage I see. Can't we deport him?
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Didn't realise this guy was Mr Remain! Hopefully his replacement is more neutral on the issue.
http://www.politico.eu/article/camerons-sherpa/ |
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...... the typical crass comments from Farage I see. Can't we deport him?
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Judging by some of the media coverage he was a Eurosceptic but not to the point of wanting to leave the EU. But the consensus seems to be that hard Brexit will happen an more quickly than people expect.
http://www.politico.eu/article/camerons-sherpa/ My experience in working with the Commission in Brussels over a twenty year period from the late 80s onwards is that all of Rogers' predecessors (Cunliffe, Darroch, Grant etc...) were seen as Eurosceptic to some degree or another. Personally I'd always bypass the Brits in Brussels (the Irish and Dutch much more approachable and lobbyable) and I'd expect the new appointment to be fairly irrelevant to Article 50 and beyond. |
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If we're in the EU then why do we need an ambassador to the EU anyway?
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
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we won't need an ambassador to the EU when we leave
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we won't need an ambassador to the EU when we leave
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He knows brexit is utterly impossible and has resigned with his dignity in tact.
We can only hope and pray MP's block brexit to prevent the utter destruction of our economy and way of life. |
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No great surprise. I doubt a former private secretary to Ken Clarke, principal private secretary to Tony Blair, Cameron's chief adviser during his infamous re-negotiations and someone who reckons it would take 10 years to complete a deal with the EU is the best person to be involved in Brexit negotiations.
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No point having a former advisor to Ken Clarke and Blair leading our negotiations to leave the EU. You need someone doing the job who actually supports Brexit and isn't trying to sabotage it.
It's like putting a fox in charge of security for a chicken coop. |
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Right now we need one more than ever and yes we will still need one after leaving. Even the US has always had an Ambassador to EU.
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He's a hero of Clegg's as well. Definitely best that he's cleared his desk.
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While I wouldn't wish it on your country, it would serve Farage right if he was made responsible for the negotiations.
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I would hope no negotiations would take place if our Nige was in charge, out and out quick.
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What makes you think that a quick exit with no negotiations would give us the best deal possible? Or maybe you aren't interested in getting a good deal.
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We've been told, no FOM, no deal.
It's only the Brextreemists who are against free movement and are putting the chance of a good deal at risk. |
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