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Old 03-01-2017, 16:02
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No point having a former advisor to Ken Clarke and Blair leading our negotiations to leave the EU. You need someone doing the job who actually supports Brexit and isn't trying to sabotage it.

It's like putting a fox in charge of security for a chicken coop.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:02
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As I said in the other thread, it sounds like the government is taking on the stupid Brexiter trait of "ignore the facts and criticise those whose job it is to establish them", so they've fired this guy for not telling May and the three stooges what they want to hear.



Quite. Instead of a civil servant, who spends their whole career intentionally being neutral, and whose job it is to represent the country and negotiate on a professional and level headed basis, we should get Nige to do it. No bias there at all. We can pay him in beer and fags.


Civil servant neutral They mostly run the show with politicians being their front men/women.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:09
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He was due to leave in November anyway so best he goes now. You don't want to just get started with negotiations and then one of your key players jumps ship. Plus he is totally against us leaving the EU so his heart wouldn't be in it anyway.

Best to get someone in place who is pro-Brexit and able to see the whole negotiation through to the end.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:11
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He was due to leave in November anyway so best he goes now. You don't want to just get started with negotiations and then one of your key plays jumps ship. Plus he is totally against us leaving the EU so his heart wouldn't be in it anyway.

Best to get someone in place who is pro-Brexit and able to see the whole negotiation through to the end.
Quite right.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:13
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No great surprise. I doubt a former private secretary to Ken Clarke, principal private secretary to Tony Blair, Cameron's chief adviser during his infamous re-negotiations and someone who reckons it would take 10 years to complete a deal with the EU is the best person to be involved in Brexit negotiations.
Didn't realise this guy was Mr Remain! Hopefully his replacement is more neutral on the issue.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:17
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What an utter car crash.

The button will be pressed by the deluded fools who believe all will be fine. Events are going to eat them up, totally.
I'm increasingly of the same opinion.

“Despite the fixation of the UK press on the triggering of Article 50, the key moment in the next six months will not be this but the EU response to it. The likely scenario is one of familiar EU negotiating territory: long interludes of tedium and small print, interspersed with episodes of late-night brinkmanship, leading eventually to a compromise that satisfies no-one but with which everyone can live. However, if the continental consensus is that the UK is still living on Fantasy Island, we could be heading for a showdown sooner than anyone expects."

source: http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uplo...-months-on.pdf

I wouldn't be surprised if Hammond doesn't join them when the going starts to get really tough.
A Hammond, Davis, Johnson or Fox resignation will be significant, damaging and troubling. Lawson's resignation (Oct 1989) followed by Howe's resignation (Oct 1990) ended Thatcher's political career.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:19
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...... the typical crass comments from Farage I see. Can't we deport him?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:20
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Didn't realise this guy was Mr Remain! Hopefully his replacement is more neutral on the issue.
Judging by some of the media coverage he was a Eurosceptic but not to the point of wanting to leave the EU. But the consensus seems to be that hard Brexit will happen an more quickly than people expect.

http://www.politico.eu/article/camerons-sherpa/
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:24
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...... the typical crass comments from Farage I see. Can't we deport him?
Isn't he on the verge of deporting himself to trumpland?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:37
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Judging by some of the media coverage he was a Eurosceptic but not to the point of wanting to leave the EU. But the consensus seems to be that hard Brexit will happen an more quickly than people expect.

http://www.politico.eu/article/camerons-sherpa/
Thanks for the reminder of how even a Eurosceptic gets traduced by the brave new Hard Brexit world we find ourselves in.

My experience in working with the Commission in Brussels over a twenty year period from the late 80s onwards is that all of Rogers' predecessors (Cunliffe, Darroch, Grant etc...) were seen as Eurosceptic to some degree or another. Personally I'd always bypass the Brits in Brussels (the Irish and Dutch much more approachable and lobbyable) and I'd expect the new appointment to be fairly irrelevant to Article 50 and beyond.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:43
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If we're in the EU then why do we need an ambassador to the EU anyway?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:48
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:52
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
He resigned.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:55
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
What experience, like how many 'Brexits' has he done?
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:57
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we won't need an ambassador to the EU when we leave
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:17
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we won't need an ambassador to the EU when we leave
Right now we need one more than ever and yes we will still need one after leaving. Even the US has always had an Ambassador to EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...European_Union
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:22
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He needed to go as he is subservient to the EU commission and wouldn't act in the interest of the UK. Retiring in November anyway, good riddance to a fully fledged Remainer.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:22
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He knows brexit is utterly impossible and has resigned with his dignity in tact.

We can only hope and pray MP's block brexit to prevent the utter destruction of our economy and way of life.
I am assuming you are too young to remember life before 1973, when we joined the Common Market?
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:23
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No great surprise. I doubt a former private secretary to Ken Clarke, principal private secretary to Tony Blair, Cameron's chief adviser during his infamous re-negotiations and someone who reckons it would take 10 years to complete a deal with the EU is the best person to be involved in Brexit negotiations.
No point having a former advisor to Ken Clarke and Blair leading our negotiations to leave the EU. You need someone doing the job who actually supports Brexit and isn't trying to sabotage it.

It's like putting a fox in charge of security for a chicken coop.
He's a hero of Clegg's as well. Definitely best that he's cleared his desk.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:25
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Right now we need one more than ever and yes we will still need one after leaving. Even the US has always had an Ambassador to EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...European_Union
Yep we do, but not one in the pocket of the commission, and the civil servants with the same beliefs can bugger off as well.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:26
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He's a hero of Clegg's as well. Definitely best that he's cleared his desk.
Yes indeed.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:33
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While I wouldn't wish it on your country, it would serve Farage right if he was made responsible for the negotiations.
I would hope no negotiations would take place if our Nige was in charge, out and out quick.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:39
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I would hope no negotiations would take place if our Nige was in charge, out and out quick.
What makes you think that a quick exit with no negotiations would give us the best deal possible? Or maybe you aren't interested in getting a good deal.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:40
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What makes you think that a quick exit with no negotiations would give us the best deal possible? Or maybe you aren't interested in getting a good deal.
We've been told, no FOM, no deal.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:48
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We've been told, no FOM, no deal.
In which case we should just accept FOM and make a deal. Easy. Everyone's a winner.

It's only the Brextreemists who are against free movement and are putting the chance of a good deal at risk.
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