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In which case we should just accept FOM and make a deal. Easy. Everyone's a winner.
It's only the Brextreemists who are against free movement and are putting the chance of a good deal at risk. |
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I would say the 17.4 million who voted for Brexit are against FOM, otherwise it's not Brexit at all and the referendum may as well not have happened.
There are also 16.1 million voters who would be opposed to that. Of those 17 million brexit voters, many of them were lied to anyway, and possibly voted for reasons that will never ever become true. And there are millions of people who cannot vote, or did not vote, whose opinion you don't know at all. |
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And this is the fundamental problem with the result. You don't know what they want. The only thing you can possibly glean is that they feel like leaving the EU. Doesn't say how they want it to work. Doesn't mean the country should go head first into a "hard Brexit".
There are also 16.1 million voters who would be opposed to that. Of those 17 million brexit voters, many of them were lied to anyway, and possibly voted for reasons that will never ever become true. And there are millions of people who cannot vote, or did not vote, whose opinion you don't know at all. |
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What makes you think that a quick exit with no negotiations would give us the best deal possible? Or maybe you aren't interested in getting a good deal.
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I would say the 17.4 million who voted for Brexit are against FOM, otherwise it's not Brexit at all and the referendum may as well not have happened.
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I would say the 17.4 million who voted for Brexit are against FOM, otherwise it's not Brexit at all
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and the referendum may as well not have happened.
Look at it the other way around. If Remain had won 52:48 then that wouldn't have been a mandate for a "Hard Remain" with the government insisting that we adopt the Euro, give up our rebate and join Schengen. Remainers didn't vote for that so what makes you think that all Leavers want a hard a fast exit? If only 2% of those 52 are happy with FOM, single market/customs union membership then you have lost your majority. |
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I would hope no negotiations would take place if our Nige was in charge, out and out quick.
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The enormity of Brexit becoming clearer by the day yet so many remain in denial about the task ahead.
Enda Kenny was right when he said this deal could not be done in two years. Looks like a messy unfinished poor deal is now on the cards unless some wake up to reality. |
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The resignation is very good news because what no one wants is to have someone on the team who doesn't want to be there and with basically a no can do mentality.
When you are a team the whole team pulls together and there can be no room for those not prepared to pull for the team. The guy was wedded to the EU and it would have been a major mistake to have him anywhere near the negotiations. |
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In which case we should just accept FOM and make a deal. Easy. Everyone's a winner.
It's only the Brextreemists who are against free movement and are putting the chance of a good deal at risk. Even senior Labour figures like Keir Starmer and Andy Burnham say it needs to be reformed considerably as its not working. It's about us deciding who can come here not Brussels so we can plan properly for housing, schools and infrastructure - and then reduce numbers when they get out of control. Free movement was fine when it was a Western European club with similar economies, wages and welfare systems. It cannot work when you have members whose average wage is less than half the minimum wage in others - it depresses wages in the latter and results in a brain drain and loss of young people in the former. We worry about who is going to look after our elderly - but there are lots of elderly who need care in Eastern Europe too. |
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What experience, like how many 'Brexits' has he done?
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How dare the EU ambassador make informed comments about how long it will take based on his experience. Does he not know such things aren't allowed any more?
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How many Brexit has anyone done?
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The same number as Farage, Johnson, Gove, May...
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Free movement was fine when it was a Western European club with similar economies, wages and welfare systems. It cannot work when you have members whose average wage is less than half the minimum wage in others - it depresses wages in the latter and results in a brain drain and loss of young people in the former.
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We worry about who is going to look after our elderly - but there are lots of elderly who need care in Eastern Europe too.
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So he has no experience of a country leaving as your original statement said.
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So he has no experience of a country leaving as your original statement said.
Which of course means he's one of those people who are apparently now to be despised in this modern mad world - an expert. |
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In which case we should just accept FOM and make a deal. Easy. Everyone's a winner.
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Fishing?
I haven't noticed any shortage of fish in the shops. Or maybe you are against the freedom of movement of cod. |
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If he can't put his own opinions on one side and serve his country and HMG to the best of his ability then it's better he goes and we are better off without him.
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The Daily Express has a lead story headlining Nigel backed for top Brussels job and the article mentons Rogers' replacement.
It's a UKIP MEP backing him. What a joke of a newspaper' I thought it might include a neutral or prominent non UKIP person. What an embarassment the DE is to British media. It's beyond a joke. |
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Actually, he merely reported back that other EU leaders thought it would take 10 years. That wasn't his personal opinion.
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The Daily Express has a lead story headlining Nigel backed for top Brussels job and the article mentons Rogers' replacement.
It's a UKIP MEP backing him. What a joke of a newspaper' I thought it might include a neutral or prominent non UKIP person. What an embarassment the DE is to British media. It's beyond a joke. |
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But he does have extensive experience of dealing with governments of all of the other countries in the EU, plus the Commission, Council of Ministers, and Parliament.
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Sounds like our Government of sick of hearing from experts.
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