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Old 03-01-2017, 19:54
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They get to dump their young unemployed on the UK and we provide them with housing too and tax credits and free schools and free healthcare - and they export the funds back home.

So yes there is a financial and GDP benefit which is what the political class care about.

I am talking about the social consequences for those left behind as these countries suffer a loss of their young people.

I know remoaners think the only thing that matters is money and GDP growth
- but there is more to life than that. Community and family are far more important
. Stealing other people's talent rather than training our own up isn't good for the UK either.
Shouldn't you be saying this to Farage? Money has always been his main interest ....and didn't he want his life back?
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:59
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I am talking about the social consequences for those left behind as these countries suffer a loss of their young people.

I know remoaners think the only thing that matters is money and GDP growth - but there is more to life than that. Community and family are far more important. Stealing other people's talent rather than training our own up isn't good for the UK either.
Ah, I see. You want to stop people's freedom of movement not because it will benefit you but you think it's for their own good.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:03
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I'm not - I remember being 'the sick man of Europe'.
That term was coined to describe the dire state of industrial relations at the time, caused by militant trade unions. Who can possibly forget the never-ending strikes of the 60s & 70s? It took Thatcher to sort out that particular problem, nothing to do with the EU at all.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:04
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Sky News' Beth Rigby tweeting a reminder the deputy UK representative Shan Morgan to leave in early 2017 to take job as Welsh permanent secretary.
What a mess this is turning into.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:10
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Farage "There's a great big exciting world out there - Trump around the corner."
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:12
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Oh, please no! He'd be rude and obnoxious at negotiations. I don't want him representing Britain.
Rude & obnoxious seems par for the course with many brexiters, he'll fit right in.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:25
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Farage "There's a great big exciting world out there - Trump around the corner."
The same Trump whose new Trade Secretary is openly telling other countries to use Brexit to asset strip the UK of businesses. Yeah, you'll get a real exciting deal out of him.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:31
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Oh, please no! He'd be rude and obnoxious at negotiations. I don't want him representing Britain.
It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:35
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
Surely in a situation like that you want a calm divorce lawyer representing you. Not someone who is emotionally involved and who will antagonise the other side and you will end up getting nothing in the interest of a quick deal.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:37
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and didn't he want his life back?
He didn't like what he saw so went back to fighting with his own party and mouthing off about how great his mate Donald is
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:39
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
It's some money grabbing club too. It's just disgraceful that they give large amounts of our money back, with the requirement that it be spent on the areas of the country our sovereign government routinely chooses to ignore. Scandalous!

And that's just forgetting the economic benefits of being in a single market and having that advantage in negotiating trade deals.

I wouldn't want Brexit on my CV if I was Sir Ivan. Farage is exactly who we don't want negotiating anything. He has no experience and no education in these matters. He's a washed up city spiv whose only MO is spouting populist rubbish and blaming immigrants for everything - and people lap it up because he's got a beer in one hand and a fag in the other.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:41
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
A joke, right?

It's one thing Farage gobbling off on the floor of the EU parliament or to TV cameras, or in Trump's golden lift, but once he gets a direct challeng on anything, he wobbles.

He'd run away quicker than Usain Bolt when the going got tough.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:43
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Surely in a situation like that you want a calm divorce lawyer representing you. Not someone who is emotionally involved and who will antagonise the other side and you will end up getting nothing in the interest of a quick deal.
The Brexter stance seems to be that they want someone openly hostile to the EU to do the negotiating with the 27 member states on their behalf. Good luck with that one..........
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:08
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He probably asked Number Ten what the plan was several times and got fobbed off with 'the plan is the plan, it's a red, white and blue plan'
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:15
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It's some money grabbing club too. It's just disgraceful that they give large amounts of our money back, with the requirement that it be spent on the areas of the country our sovereign government routinely chooses to ignore. Scandalous!

And that's just forgetting the economic benefits of being in a single market and having that advantage in negotiating trade deals.

I wouldn't want Brexit on my CV if I was Sir Ivan. Farage is exactly who we don't want negotiating anything. He has no experience and no education in these matters. He's a washed up city spiv whose only MO is spouting populist rubbish and blaming immigrants for everything - and people lap it up because he's got a beer in one hand and a fag in the other.
Seriously good post!!
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:41
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Maybe some of the armchair warriors on here would like to tell Nigel Farage what they think. Go on. Now's your chance. Please share your thoughts with the nation. He's on an LBC phone in from 10pm tonight.
We should have triggered Article 50 immediately. The longer this goes on, the more tangled it will get.
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:45
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Typical Brexit response. Get rid of anybody who does not share your views. We need this man and his opinions and contacts within the EU. Gets him back on board, and fast, you dumbos!
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:50
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Is Theresa May going to take the UK out of the EU Single Market ?
I seriously hope so...
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Old 03-01-2017, 21:59
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Typical Brexit response. Get rid of anybody who does not share your views. We need this man and his opinions and contacts within the EU. Gets him back on board, and fast, you dumbos!
Mr Strut, this is simply not going to happen.
There is no reason to think the man was bad at his job, although his part in Cameron's "negotiations" didn't go particularly well. But the job description has changed, the management board is full of new faces - and with a business plan which is alien to his beliefs and how he has operated for years.
Trust has gone on both sides. The right - and honorable - thing is for him to move on before life gets tougher.
If there was a caucus of leading Leavers regretting his departure on grounds of knowledge, expertise and contacts, that would be something else. But the fact that the wailing is only coming from the likes of Clegg and those who would prefer to completely halt Brexit shows how wide the chasm is.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:01
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Mr Strut, this is simply not going to happen.
There is no reason to think the man was bad at his job, although his part in Cameron's "negotiations" didn't go particularly well. But the job description has changed, the management board is full of new faces - and with a business plan which is alien to his beliefs and how he has operated for years..
The government has a "business plan"? Is it a red, white and blue one?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:04
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Typical Brexit response. Get rid of anybody who does not share your views. We need this man and his opinions and contacts within the EU. Gets him back on board, and fast, you dumbos!
More like jettison someone who was on the EU gravy train and was against Brexit.

He wasn't the right man if Clegg was backing him.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:05
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The government has a "business plan"? Is it a red, white and blue one?
No it's just one that you won't like
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:06
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The government has a "business plan"? Is it a red, white and blue one?
I think that you know it is to negotiate our departure from the EU, not something which would appeal to this particular ambassador.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:06
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No it's just one that you won't like
I suspect it's a one full of fudge and compromise that nobody will like.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:17
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
What a load of utter drivel. You little people are completely out of control and in for one hell of a shock as your smug little world collapses into chaos.
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