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They get to dump their young unemployed on the UK and we provide them with housing too and tax credits and free schools and free healthcare - and they export the funds back home.
So yes there is a financial and GDP benefit which is what the political class care about. I am talking about the social consequences for those left behind as these countries suffer a loss of their young people. I know remoaners think the only thing that matters is money and GDP growth - but there is more to life than that. Community and family are far more important. Stealing other people's talent rather than training our own up isn't good for the UK either. Money has always been his main interest ....and didn't he want his life back?
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I am talking about the social consequences for those left behind as these countries suffer a loss of their young people.
I know remoaners think the only thing that matters is money and GDP growth - but there is more to life than that. Community and family are far more important. Stealing other people's talent rather than training our own up isn't good for the UK either. |
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I'm not - I remember being 'the sick man of Europe'.
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Sky News' Beth Rigby tweeting a reminder the deputy UK representative Shan Morgan to leave in early 2017 to take job as Welsh permanent secretary.
What a mess this is turning into. |
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Farage "There's a great big exciting world out there - Trump around the corner."
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Oh, please no! He'd be rude and obnoxious at negotiations. I don't want him representing Britain.
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Farage "There's a great big exciting world out there - Trump around the corner."
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Oh, please no! He'd be rude and obnoxious at negotiations. I don't want him representing Britain.
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
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and didn't he want his life back?
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
And that's just forgetting the economic benefits of being in a single market and having that advantage in negotiating trade deals. I wouldn't want Brexit on my CV if I was Sir Ivan. Farage is exactly who we don't want negotiating anything. He has no experience and no education in these matters. He's a washed up city spiv whose only MO is spouting populist rubbish and blaming immigrants for everything - and people lap it up because he's got a beer in one hand and a fag in the other. |
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
It's one thing Farage gobbling off on the floor of the EU parliament or to TV cameras, or in Trump's golden lift, but once he gets a direct challeng on anything, he wobbles. He'd run away quicker than Usain Bolt when the going got tough. |
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Surely in a situation like that you want a calm divorce lawyer representing you. Not someone who is emotionally involved and who will antagonise the other side and you will end up getting nothing in the interest of a quick deal.
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He probably asked Number Ten what the plan was several times and got fobbed off with 'the plan is the plan, it's a red, white and blue plan'
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It's some money grabbing club too. It's just disgraceful that they give large amounts of our money back, with the requirement that it be spent on the areas of the country our sovereign government routinely chooses to ignore. Scandalous!
And that's just forgetting the economic benefits of being in a single market and having that advantage in negotiating trade deals. I wouldn't want Brexit on my CV if I was Sir Ivan. Farage is exactly who we don't want negotiating anything. He has no experience and no education in these matters. He's a washed up city spiv whose only MO is spouting populist rubbish and blaming immigrants for everything - and people lap it up because he's got a beer in one hand and a fag in the other. ![]()
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Maybe some of the armchair warriors on here would like to tell Nigel Farage what they think. Go on. Now's your chance. Please share your thoughts with the nation. He's on an LBC phone in from 10pm tonight.
We should have triggered Article 50 immediately. The longer this goes on, the more tangled it will get. |
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Is Theresa May going to take the UK out of the EU Single Market ?
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Typical Brexit response. Get rid of anybody who does not share your views. We need this man and his opinions and contacts within the EU. Gets him back on board, and fast, you dumbos!
There is no reason to think the man was bad at his job, although his part in Cameron's "negotiations" didn't go particularly well. But the job description has changed, the management board is full of new faces - and with a business plan which is alien to his beliefs and how he has operated for years. Trust has gone on both sides. The right - and honorable - thing is for him to move on before life gets tougher. If there was a caucus of leading Leavers regretting his departure on grounds of knowledge, expertise and contacts, that would be something else. But the fact that the wailing is only coming from the likes of Clegg and those who would prefer to completely halt Brexit shows how wide the chasm is. |
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Mr Strut, this is simply not going to happen.
There is no reason to think the man was bad at his job, although his part in Cameron's "negotiations" didn't go particularly well. But the job description has changed, the management board is full of new faces - and with a business plan which is alien to his beliefs and how he has operated for years.. |
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Typical Brexit response. Get rid of anybody who does not share your views. We need this man and his opinions and contacts within the EU. Gets him back on board, and fast, you dumbos!
He wasn't the right man if Clegg was backing him. |
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The government has a "business plan"? Is it a red, white and blue one?
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The government has a "business plan"? Is it a red, white and blue one?
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No it's just one that you won't like
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It's going to be a nasty and dirty business anyway - bit like a very bitter divorce. We voted to leave their money grabbing little club and they're going to try like hell to make an example out of the UK for daring to do so. This isn't a time for shrinking violets - maybe that's why Sir Ivan has cut an run. I'd say someone like Farage is more than equipped for the type of brutal no nonsense negotiation it's probably going to turn out to be.
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Money has always been his main interest ....and didn't he want his life back?

