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Old 03-01-2017, 22:17
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Ah, I see. You want to stop people's freedom of movement not because it will benefit you but you think it's for their own good.
Reminds me of one person who told me that the EU gave "too many options" to people, which apparently "is a bad thing". Instead, people should be made to stay in the areas they grew up and forced to "be happy in their place in life".

A place for everyone and everybody in their place. Don't get ideas above your station. Do as you are told. Think as you are told.

It was a rather frightening insight into the mind of the Brexiters. I used to think (hope) that this nut job was a unique case, but looking at threads such as this, it seems to be a common way of thinking for the Brexit crowd.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:18
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I think that you know it is to negotiate our departure from the EU, not something which would appeal to this particular ambassador.
It's news to the world that the government has any sort of plan. So far it seems like they have spent more time and effort on alienating most of the public, most of the EU, and finding stupid idioms to cover for the fact that they have no clue what they are doing.

I wonder how much negotiation the UK will be doing given that all their negotiators seem to want nothing to do with this disaster?

Amazing how Brexiters seem obsessed with this guy's political views, not that they are relevant. Do you even know for sure what they are?

It's "openly gay fencing judges" all over again..
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:19
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I suspect it's a one full of fudge and compromise that nobody will like.
Only if it has people like this pro EU ambassador involved.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:20
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BBC News reporting that Sir Ivan resigned because his advice was being ignored in London and because they don't want to hear "uncomfortable" or "unvarnished" opinions (according to his resignation email to other staff) :

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38503020
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:21
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BBC News reporting that Sir Ivan resigned because his advice was being ignored in London and because they don't want to hear "uncomfortable" or "unvarnished" opinions (according to his resignation email) :

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38503020
Well that just says it all really. It's just a shame that he felt the need to resign over it.

We really are being led into this absolute cluster**** by people who have no interest in reality, facts, or anything sane, and who want to get rid of anyone who actually cares about those pesky things. Stop talking Britain down!
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:24
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BBC News reporting that Sir Ivan resigned because his advice was being ignored in London and because they don't want to hear "uncomfortable" or "unvarnished" opinions (according to his resignation email to other staff) :

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38503020
Wow, that is just mental stuff, although I caught a clip of John Redwood earlier on the news and in some respect this does not surprise me.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:25
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Well that just says it all really. It's just a shame that he felt the need to resign over it.

We really are being led into this absolute cluster**** by people who have no interest in reality, facts, or anything sane. Stop talking Britain down!
It really is bordering on shocking : it's obvious that the hard Brexiteers in the Cabinet are putting their fingers in their ears and going "La la la la la la" at anyone who tries to bring them bad news.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:27
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BBC News reporting that Sir Ivan resigned because his advice was being ignored in London and because they don't want to hear "uncomfortable" or "unvarnished" opinions (according to his resignation email to other staff) :

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38503020

Rubbish, good riddance to this europhile flake.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:30
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Here's the full resignation letter...

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/in...ad4a878b455589
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:35
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Maybe some of the armchair warriors on here would like to tell Nigel Farage what they think. Go on. Now's your chance. Please share your thoughts with the nation. He's on an LBC phone in from 10pm tonight.
We should have triggered Article 50 immediately. The longer this goes on, the more tangled it will get.
We hear freedom of movement from the EU to the UK went into overdrive leading up to the EU referendum and has continued unabated since we voted to leave. Theresa May needs to stop pussyfooting about and get on with invoking article 50 asap.

In the words of David Cameron we really will be 'swamped' by the time May gets her act together. She was a lousy Home Secretary and she'll end up being a lousy PM at this rate.

Once our EU exit is rubber stamped around 2019, the cut off point for being sent back should be set at maybe 5 years unless a valid right to remain can be proved.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:36
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One paragraph jumps out here :

My own view remains as it has always been. We do not yet know what the Government will set as negotiating objectives for the UK’s relationship with the EU after exit.

Sounds like May is making it up as she goes along and hasn't a clue what she is going to do. Sir Ivan was going to be one of the chief UK negotiators (!)
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:42
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One paragraph jumps out here :

My own view remains as it has always been. We do not yet know what the Government will set as negotiating objectives for the UK’s relationship with the EU after exit.

Sounds like May is making it up as she goes along and hasn't a clue what she is going to do. Sir Ivan was going to be one of the chief UK negotiators (!)
The likes of Guy Verhofstadt, Barnier and Donald Tusk must be in hysterics with all this ineptitude.
It really looks like one side completely managerless with no tactics making it up as they go along against another team in a completely different league.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:43
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That'll put the cat among the pigeons.

"Serious multilateral negotiating experience is in short supply in Whitehall, and that is not the case in the Commission or in the Council. The Government will only achieve the best for the country if it harnesses the best experience we have – a large proportion of which is concentrated in UKREP – and negotiates resolutely. Senior Ministers, who will decide on our positions, issue by issue, also need from you detailed, unvarnished – even where this is uncomfortable - and nuanced understanding of the views, interests and incentives of the other 27."

"For my part, I hope that in my day-to-day dealings with you I have demonstrated the values which I have always espoused as a public servant. I hope you will continue to challenge ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking and that you will never be afraid to speak the truth to those in power."

Hands up then all those who have absolute faith in our four Brexiteers-in-command?
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:44
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Love how the Brexiteers are suddenly experts in this Ambassador, rent a gob wombles. Shame they weren't calling for him to resign before he resgined.
He was going to get it at some point, he was going to be Mays fall guy and I'm glad he walked as it's all Tory now.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:48
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Rubbish, good riddance to this europhile flake.
If he gets such praise from a Europhobe ranter he must be a very good man. Get him back, quick. We need him!
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:48
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Rogers' bye bye devastating: UK lacks negotiation expertise & @theresa_may has no goals for relationship with EU
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:50
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Stig Abell of The Times saying on the Sky News paper review at the moment that it would be insane to send in a hard Brexiteer as your chief negotiator with the EU instead of a career diplomat.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:51
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I know that this news will add, temporarily, to the uncertainty that I know, from our many discussions in the autumn, you are all feeling about the role of UKREP in the coming months and years of negotiations over “Brexit.”

Brexit in quote marks

But he put the full stop inside the quote marks! Duh! No wonder he had to go.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:51
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Rogers' bye bye devastating: UK lacks negotiation expertise & @theresa_may has no goals for relationship with EU
How long before she has another hissy fit about leaked memos? (which will be leaked immediately after she presses "send", of course)
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:54
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Rogers' bye bye devastating: UK lacks negotiation expertise & @theresa_may has no goals for relationship with EU
The latter one I suspected for months. May has been saying all along "We won't be providing you with a running commentary" but now we find out even Sir Ivan hasn't a clue what the government's negotiating position is.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:57
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I know that this news will add, temporarily, to the uncertainty that I know, from our many discussions in the autumn, you are all feeling about the role of UKREP in the coming months and years of negotiations over “Brexit.”

Brexit in quote marks

But he put the full stop inside the quote marks! Duh! No wonder he had to go.
It's a wonder he didn't put a vomit emoticon after 'Brexit', it has cost him his job after all
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:59
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The latter one I suspected for months. May has been saying all along "We won't be providing you with a running commentary" but now we find out even Sir Ivan hasn't a clue what the government's negotiating position is.
Sadly, this was obviously the position.

I was told the self same thing by a senior lawyer in the civil service at an event I attended about 4 months ago. It appears nothing has changed.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:01
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Stig Abell of The Times saying on the Sky News paper review at the moment that it would be insane to send in a hard Brexiteer as your chief negotiator with the EU instead of a career diplomat.
We are now in a world where insane is the new normal.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:02
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Theresa May needs to stop pussyfooting about and get on with invoking article 50 asap..
Mrs May lacks the expertise, vision or strategy to deliver Brexit. She leads a government without a plan, process and precedence. She wants to use Article 50 which is untested, untried and unknown.

She said "Brexit means Brexit" to buy her time. She says nothing of her objectives knowing that she might not get what she wants.

In short, Mrs May has used a shop soiled referendum result as a mandate for her political survival.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:05
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Mrs May lacks the expertise, vision or strategy to deliver Brexit. She leads a government without a plan, process and precedence. She wants to use Article 50 which is untested, untried and unknown.

She said "Brexit means Brexit" to buy her time. She says nothing of her objectives knowing that she might not get what she wants.

In short, Mrs May has used a shop soiled referendum result as a mandate for her political survival.
and ...................she's reintroduced grammar schools. Seriously? What was all that about? Has she not got enough on her plate.

It's all ABSOLUTELY mental - I'm sure we are a laughing stock.
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