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UK ambassador to EU resigns in row over Brexit
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Resonance
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“If he has stayed then Brexiters would have demanded he'd be sacked. So what are they moaning about?”

They aren't as evidenced by this thread. Brexiters are glad, remainers don't like it.
i4u
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Even if the likes of KPMG make a few million out of this then it would be the bargain of the century. Far better use of public money than that spent on lawyers for the pointless appeal to the Supreme Court.”

We have seen time again consultancies give advice the client wants to hear, rather than the reality...as seen with BHS, they'll eagerly grease the palms of those willing to handsomely reward them.

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“KPMG and its chief operating officer James Marsh have been fined by the Financial Reporting Council for breaching ethical standards”

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“KPMG has been fined £162,500 and reprimanded for systems failures which raised questions over the firm’s independence”

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“KPMG to Pay $456 Million for Criminal Violations”

TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“If he has stayed then Brexiters would have demanded he'd be sacked. So what are they moaning about?”

Anything and everything they can to distract attention from the fact that the don't have a clue what they are doing.
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Anything and everything they can to distract attention from the fact that the don't have a clue what they are doing.”

So how did this experts negotiations on behalf of Cameron with the EU go last year pre Brexit? What was the super brexit busting deal he managed to get for the UK?
TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“So how did this experts negotiations on behalf of Cameron with the EU go last year pre Brexit? What was the super brexit busting deal he managed to get for the UK?”

He didn't negotiate, Cameron did.
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“He didn't negotiate, Cameron did.”

What he didn't advise Cameron? he was seen hanging out of Cameron's arse in every news clip during the negotiations.
luckylegs
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“What he didn't advise Cameron? he was seen hanging out of Cameron's arse in every news clip during the negotiations.”

He certainly was
heiker
04-01-2017
"Unbiased" reporting of the resignation by the BBC

James Lansdale basically stood in front of the camera and read out the resignation letter as if it was fact and truthful. No attempt was made to report Ivan Rogers poor negotiating performance when he assisted Cameron prior to the Referendum.
TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“What he didn't advise Cameron? he was seen hanging out of Cameron's arse in every news clip during the negotiations.”

Difficult to take you too seriously when you use language like "hanging out of Cameron's arse" but his job is to tell the Government what the EU will accept, what they won't accept and what areas there are which might be negotiable (and what they would want in return). It is then up to the Prime Minister to decide what is acceptable and what is not.
Andrew1954
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“If he has stayed then Brexiters would have demanded he'd be sacked. So what are they moaning about?”

I'm not. The sooner we shake out these remainist 5th columnists from the system the better.
TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by heiker:
“"Unbiased" reporting of the resignation by the BBC

James Lansdale basically stood in front of the camera and read out the resignation letter as if it was fact and truthful. No attempt was made to report Ivan Rogers poor negotiating performance when he assisted Cameron prior to the Referendum.”

Surely his resignation is a matter of fact? It is what he wrote. As explained above, Cameron does the negotiating based on the advice received.
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Difficult to take you too seriously when you use language like "hanging out of Cameron's arse" but his job is to tell the Government what the EU will accept, what they won't accept and what areas there are which might be negotiable (and what they would want in return). It is then up to the Prime Minister to decide what is acceptable and what is not.”


So he would have got even less of a deal than Cameron? As I said good riddance, he should have gone a lot lot earlier.
TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“So he would have got even less of a deal than Cameron? As I said good riddance, he should have gone a lot lot earlier.”

He is (was) a Civil Servant. His job is to advise, not negotiate.
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Surely his resignation is a matter of fact? It is what he wrote. As explained above, Cameron does the negotiating based on the advice received.”

Are you saying he didn't give Cameron advice? Was he just there to carry his lunch box?
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“He is (was) a Civil Servant. His job is to advise, not negotiate.”

So Cameron negotiated a p*ss poor deal for the UK based on his advice, as I said good riddance.
tim59
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“I'm not. The sooner we shake out these remainist 5th columnists from the system the better.”

Seems people dont want the best people doing the job, they just want a bunch of yes men. And his email is the most damming of all the things that have come out in recent times. And it makes it very plain that that the government has no plans have not got a clue about things. Here is the governments plan ( brexit means brexit ) LOL
TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“So Cameron negotiated a p*ss poor deal for the UK based on his advice, as I said good riddance.”

He told Cameron what he thought was possible, Cameron could choose to take the advice or ignore it.
Mr Moritz
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“He was one, Yes EU, Yes EU, three bags full EU.”

Sorry I should have been more clear.
He obviously was not a Brexit yes person, therefore in the eyes of the government, dishonest and untrustworthy.

Obviously to make negotiations flow smoothly, this is not the type of person we need.
Ads
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by tim59:
“. Here is the governments plan ( brexit means brexit ) LOL”

You have really misrepresented the Government's position here, they have actually provided significant detail on what Brexit will mean. Did you miss May's announcement we are going to have a red, white and blue Brexit?
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“He told Cameron what he thought was possible, Cameron could choose to take the advice or ignore it.”

So his "advice" wasn't very good, thanks for confirming that.

Good riddance.
MR. Macavity
04-01-2017
I voted Remain and think this is an excellent development.

The more Brexiters that are in a position of power and actually having to make decisions in the real world the better. Just like the sooner Trump actually gets out from behind his sofa and twitter account and into the Oval Office and finds out what the real world of decision making and administration is like the sooner America will realise what they have on their hands.

Despite all the talk of 'Remoaners' it is hopelessly divided and unconvincing Brexiters (e.g. Johnson) who refuse to face the reality of our relationship with 27 other countries that will delay Brexit not Remain voters.
Andrew1954
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by tim59:
“Seems people dont want the best people doing the job, they just want a bunch of yes men. And his email is the most damming of all the things that have come out in recent times. And it makes it very plain that that the government has no plans have not got a clue about things. Here is the governments plan ( brexit means brexit ) LOL”

Of course we want the best people. But we definitely don't want people intent in undermining the process.
TheEngineer
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by trunkster:
“So his "advice" wasn't very good, thanks for confirming that.

Good riddance.”

So when you go to the doctor, if you don't like the advice they give you do you listen to them or change doctor until you hear what you want to hear?
Aurora13
04-01-2017
Politicisation of civil service is what Brexiteers want.
trunkster
04-01-2017
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“So when you go to the doctor, if you don't like the advice they give you do you listen to them or change doctor until you hear what you want to hear?”

You seem to be assuming that the deal Cameron negotiated wasn't based on the advice the ambassador gave, why's that? Do you have inside info?
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