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Old 03-01-2017, 16:02
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That bit at the end where they announce what profit (if any) the dealers make on items they bought on the show. They clearly film it on the same day as the dealers are wearing the same clothes, but they could just film different reaction shots to be used later depending on what happens.

But I'm suspicious about the bit at the end where we're told, usually, that the item hasn't yet sold or has been sold for a modest profit. Occasionally on high-value items (circa £1k) you get a bit of a profit but most of the time its:

"Sandra paid £40 for the carriage clock and sold it for a healthy profit of £45"

"Richard had to drive a hard bargain to get his hands on the book of autographs but in the end he did the deal at £55 and sold it for a tidy sum of £65"


I'm always hugely suspicious of just how scrupulous that information is. Simply because:

"Matt purchased the vase for £60, knowing he could get far more. He sold it for £400 and put it towards flights to the Bahamas"

....would sound exploitative and terrible.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:11
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It's an afternoon telly programme, "for entertainment only."

It's like many, just "smoke and mirrors."

Probably not as completely sham as, "Ratings for nothing," sorry, I meant "Money for nothing."
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:11
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That bit at the end where they announce what profit (if any) the dealers make on items they bought on the show. They clearly film it on the same day as the dealers are wearing the same clothes, but they could just film different reaction shots to be used later depending on what happens.

But I'm suspicious about the bit at the end where we're told, usually, that the item hasn't yet sold or has been sold for a modest profit. Occasionally on high-value items (circa £1k) you get a bit of a profit but most of the time its:

"Sandra paid £40 for the carriage clock and sold it for a healthy profit of £45"

"Richard had to drive a hard bargain to get his hands on the book of autographs but in the end he did the deal at £55 and sold it for a tidy sum of £65"


I'm always hugely suspicious of just how scrupulous that information is. Simply because:

"Matt purchased the vase for £60, knowing he could get far more. He sold it for £400 and put it towards flights to the Bahamas"

....would sound exploitative and terrible.
If you imagine that selling antiques is the way to make a fortune then you're barking up the wrong Chippendale leg. The dealers are under scrutiny during the filming and clearly would not be allowed to offer an unrealistic amount by trading on the seller's ignorance.
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Old 03-01-2017, 16:18
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Well, when they're at the table, David always comes in and gives the independent valuation. So it's not as if the punters are completely in the dark as to what their stuff is worth. And I suspect a lot of them have probably looked it up on the internet, or had it valued already. So they'd know if the dealer was trying to pull a fast one.

At the end of the day though I suspect for dealers like this, their main source of profit doesn't come from buying things for fifty quid and selling them for sixty. You'd have to sell an awful lot of stuff to make a decent living, especially if you had a shop and staff to pay for. It'll come from big ticket items that they maybe get for five hundred and sell for seven or eight hundred, or things they buy for a thousand and sell for fourteen or fifteen hundred, The agonising over paying an extra fiver or a tenner for small ticket items and trying to squeeze a profit out of it I think might be mainly just for the cameras.

But I'm not in the antique business, so I wouldn't know. I might be completely wrong.
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:23
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The bit I dont like is when the smug sellers decide they dont want to appear for the auction because they are supposedly busy.
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Old 03-01-2017, 19:28
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It's the same with Storage Hunters. "Oh that's a grand all day long" and ping goes the sum total. What it doesn't tell you is how long it would take to get that £1k or that the storage bin winner needs to have a huge network of potential buyers.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:34
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It's the same with Storage Hunters. "Oh that's a grand all day long" and ping goes the sum total. What it doesn't tell you is how long it would take to get that £1k or that the storage bin winner needs to have a huge network of potential buyers.
They don't need to tell anyone, it's bleedin obvious to anyone with a bit of life experience, that you need contacts/outlets to shift the gear on.
They're not going to show the dull business of phoning various mates, sending photos and dull negotiations, giving stuff away on a sale or return basis to other dealers, etc.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:09
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It's an afternoon telly programme, "for entertainment only."

It's like many, just "smoke and mirrors."

Probably not as completely sham as, "Ratings for nothing," sorry, I meant "Money for nothing."
The only ones who really make a profit are the so called expert 'tart it uppers' they seem to just pluck a figure out of thin air usually in the hundreds just to splash a bit of paint on something or stick a bit of tatty looking fake fur on it etc.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:23
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It's an afternoon telly programme, "for entertainment only."

It's like many, just "smoke and mirrors."

Probably not as completely sham as, "Ratings for nothing," sorry, I meant "Money for nothing."
This is my take on it too, all make-believe.

It's like Antiques Roadtrip when an antique shop is 'happy' to sell a piece of furniture price-tagged at £200 for a fiver. They're 'happy' because they only saw the item in question ten minutes earlier when it was dropped off by the BBC Props Department.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:18
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A lot of things are planted on these shows for the 'Contestant' to 'find'. They couldn't risk an episode where nothing is found or there is nothing worth buying
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:07
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The sellers are probably told exactly what to say and how to act for the cameras, a bit like when the Antiques Roadshow filmed near work they were briefed before filming on how the conversation should go

This show is basically a vehicle for Dickinson and his premium rate phone line competition

Bit tight how the production company don't just cover the commission costs if they go to the auction though
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:27
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A lot of things are planted on these shows for the 'Contestant' to 'find'. They couldn't risk an episode where nothing is found or there is nothing worth buying
It sounds incredible but I think the tv production staff have been at this fake game so long, they don't even think they're doing anything wrong.
Some of you may call it shortcuts or harmless entertainment but I think they're defrauding the viewers.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:33
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It sounds incredible but I think the tv production staff have been at this fake game so long, they don't even think they're doing anything wrong.
Some of you may call it shortcuts or harmless entertainment but I think they're defrauding the viewers.
Defrauding? Obtaining, money, goods, or benefits by deception. How exactly? You're one of those people that think magicians should do real magic, aren't you?
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:47
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Flog it is the same. An antique dealer near me was on twice within a few weeks of the broadcast show. Apparently she had the antiques in the attic. I say bullocks.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:29
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"Made for Television!" All these sorts of programmes are.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:07
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Flog it is the same. An antique dealer near me was on twice within a few weeks of the broadcast show. Apparently she had the antiques in the attic. I say bullocks.
Is Flog It the one where they say at the end when they've sold their lot, "So what are you going to spend the money on?", when it's sold for a hundred quid or something.

"Oh, I was thinking maybe a two week cruise round the Mediterranean."

I made this point on another thread that it seems to be compulsory on telly now that whenever anybody wins some money, no matter how small an amount, they're required to have something in mind to spend it on. It's just daft. But that's telly for you.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:48
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A lot of things are planted on these shows for the 'Contestant' to 'find'. They couldn't risk an episode where nothing is found or there is nothing worth buying
Any evidence for this apart from pure speculation? They go looking for items in large sale rooms and antique fairs. It's hardly likely the contestants won't find anything that's worth more than the ticket price.

It's like Antiques Roadtrip when an antique shop is 'happy' to sell a piece of furniture price-tagged at £200 for a fiver. They're 'happy' because they only saw the item in question ten minutes earlier when it was dropped off by the BBC Props Department.
As for the seller's being willing to cut prices, have you never haggled at a market? It's not as if a price cut means they've lost money.

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Re Dickensons's Real Deal, the punters usually have a good idea what their item is worth, sometimes an inflated idea of it. But if the dealer spots it's actually worth more than the expert valuation, it isn't dishonest to offer a lower price and make a profit. If everyone is happy with the agreed price no one has been hard done by.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:05
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It sounds incredible but I think the tv production staff have been at this fake game so long, they don't even think they're doing anything wrong.
Some of you may call it shortcuts or harmless entertainment but I think they're defrauding the viewers.
If they were caught faking something like Bargain Hunt, where contestants can win cash, they'd be in big trouble with OFCOM. Anyway what would be the point of fixing such a show? For filming purposes it's quite possible the settle price of an item is agreed off camera and then a fake bargaining session is filmed. Restaging things for the cameras in reality TV certainly goes on. But it isn't fakery as such.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:43
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It amazes me that in some programmes they buy a bit of tat at "retail" at an antiques fair, then try to sell it at "wholesale" at an auction. When you take into account, time, travel expenses and auction house commission, there's little or no profit. Just a waste of time.

In reality the programme makers are insulting the intelligence of the viewer. But that is a common occurrence with a lot of daytime and early evening programmes.
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