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Old 03-01-2017, 17:02
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Surprised there wasn't a thread here about this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38492953

No doubt comparisons will be made with the Mark Duggan case but there isn't really enough information to draw any conclusions yet.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:05
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but there isn't really enough information to draw any conclusions yet.
That's never been a problem here in the past.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:05
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Surprised there wasn't a thread here about this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38492953

No doubt comparisons will be made with the Mark Duggan case but there isn't really enough information to draw any conclusions yet.
I almost started one making all the same points

It should be very interesting to hear more about it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:08
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Surprised there wasn't a thread here about this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38492953

No doubt comparisons will be made with the Mark Duggan case but there isn't really enough information to draw any conclusions yet.
It shouldn't draw comparisons, because no one knows any details.

It's nice that it hasn't initiated riots though.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:10
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That's never been a problem here in the past.
Maybe DS members don't want to argue and bicker as much this year, and will wait until more info comes to light.

There again maybe not haha
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:10
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It shouldn't draw comparisons, because no one knows any details.

It's nice that it hasn't initiated riots though.
We know it was a police shooting - thats a reason.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:11
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Surprised there wasn't a thread here about this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38492953

No doubt comparisons will be made with the Mark Duggan case but there isn't really enough information to draw any conclusions yet.
Yep, the guy who was shot is described as being 'a lovely family man', yet has already been on trial for a drive by shooting and is a known drug dealer, lovely indeed.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:11
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On either the Guardian or Telegraph website, they said that a while ago, the dead man's house had been shot at by 2 men with shotguns. He obviously knew some rather unpleasant people.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:13
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Yep, the guy who was shot is described as being 'a lovely family man', yet has already been on trial for a drive by shooting and is a known drug dealer, lovely indeed.
Yep. But every bloody one is lovely in someone eyes I guess, you always here this line! Almost no matter who it is.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:17
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When incidents like this happen I always wonder why the police do not shoot to disable rather than kill
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:21
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When incidents like this happen I always wonder why the police do not shoot to disable rather than kill
Perhaps because this isn't Hollywood.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:23
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Maybe DS members don't want to argue and bicker as much this year, and will wait until more info comes to light.

There again maybe not haha
Yes and I hear world peace has just broken out, everyone is smiling and singing Kumbya and all poverty , disease and hunger has been eradicated overnight


When incidents like this happen I always wonder why the police do not shoot to disable rather than kill
Because this is the real world and if that were an option they would not be using firearms .
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:25
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When incidents like this happen I always wonder why the police do not shoot to disable rather than kill
Because real life is nothing like the movies.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:28
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Because real life is nothing like the movies.

I don't see what this has to do with movies
These are supposedly highly trained marksmen and I would have thought it possible for them to shoot accurately to disarm and disable
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:29
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When incidents like this happen I always wonder why the police do not shoot to disable rather than kill
Because this is real life, not Hollywood.

And the police never ever shoot to 'kill', they shoot to 'stop'. That might sadly mean they end up dying, but that was not the objective. What they are stopping is that person pulling the trigger or thrusting the knife into a person.

For a start, it's incredibly hard (nearly impossible) to hit a moving arm or leg, especially when it's a fast moving high pressure situation, where often the decision is made in a split second. Not to mention the extra complication of them being in a car or behind cover. And even if you do hit an arm or leg, there is a very high chance they can still discharge a weapon.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:29
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I don't see what this has to do with movies
These are supposedly highly trained marksmen and I would have thought it possible for them to shoot accurately to disarm and disable
You thought wrong.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:30
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Because real life is nothing like the movies.
Maybe it should be, theres been a few shootings which were later found to be of unarmed men who were no threat at the time.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:32
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Surprised there wasn't a thread here about this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38492953

No doubt comparisons will be made with the Mark Duggan case but there isn't really enough information to draw any conclusions yet.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2196551
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:33
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Maybe it should be, theres been a few shootings which were later found to be of unarmed men who were no threat at the time.
Well that's the real world for you where humans aren't perfect and mistakes happen.

According to the article this is the first shooting by West Yorkshire in seven years. It doesn't happen often.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:34
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Maybe it should be, theres been a few shootings which were later found to be of unarmed men who were no threat at the time.
That's the most bizarre on nonsensical comment I have read today!
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:36
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I don't see what this has to do with movies
These are supposedly highly trained marksmen and I would have thought it possible for them to shoot accurately to disarm and disable
And where do you want them to shoot to disarm, I mean what is the person carrying why the need to shoot at all and if there is a need to shoot there is a need to make sure they are no longer a threat, a shot to the leg or arm does not prevent a person picking up a firearm , detonating something or being a danger to any hostage or member of the public ( speaking in general not about this incident of which we have no facts)

Given how many incidents armed officers attend each year and how few shots are fired it shows our police are not trigger happy
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:36
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Yep, the guy who was shot is described as being 'a lovely family man', yet has already been on trial for a drive by shooting and is a known drug dealer, lovely indeed.
You could certainly describe a lot of very violent and nasty people as 'a lovely family man'

The hard case family in the village I grew up in had several members who could have the same description, but if you crossed them, owed money or were caught muscling in on their 'turf' you could certainly expect consequences, and it wouldn't be a ticking off!
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:38
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Because this is real life, not Hollywood.

And the police never ever shoot to 'kill', they shoot to 'stop'. That might sadly mean they end up dying, but that was not the objective. What they are stopping is that person pulling the trigger or thrusting the knife into a person.

For a start, it's incredibly hard (nearly impossible) to hit a moving arm or leg, especially when it's a fast moving high pressure situation, where often the decision is made in a split second. Not to mention the extra complication of them being in a car or behind cover. And even if you do hit an arm or leg, there is a very high chance they can still discharge a weapon.
Also depending on what the bullet hits may not even stop you running but leave you alive long enough to retaliate.
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:40
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Given how many incidents armed officers attend each year and how few shots are fired it shows our police are not trigger happy
Just to add some numbers to that:

In 2014/15, England and Wales armed police dealt with 14,666 incidents.

Six bullets were fired.

(Source: http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/armed...ail/story.html - see towards bottom for the national stats)
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Old 03-01-2017, 17:41
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That's the most bizarre on nonsensical comment I have read today!
Really? Which bit are you struggling with?
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