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Old 04-01-2017, 18:33
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Also maybe this shows to compare us to the USA is a pathetic mindset,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ther-countries
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:36
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So we have another drug dealing, gun toting gangsta off the streets. Cry me a river....
A senior police officer once said to me "Every time we put a dealer out of business, we create a vacancy for another one".
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:37
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Also maybe this shows to compare us to the USA is a pathetic mindset,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ther-countries
Who was comparing us to the U.S.?
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:47
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Who was comparing us to the U.S.?
Reading the home made banners at last nights protest on the TV. Language similar to Black Lives Matter campaign.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:50
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Scumbag now dead.

Right, whats for dinner?.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:56
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Listening to the news seems a concern that aside from a vigil tonight. Other protests in West Yorkshire.

Interesting the words,,straight off black loves matter.

Grow up. Don't think I can recall a year when Police shot and killed 10 people. USA Police seem to kill a person a day.
Think some arseholes in this country need to move to the USA and realise how damn good the Police in this country are.
A load of chancers hoping for something to kick off.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:13
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And they never make mistakes either
Of course they make the occasional mistake.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:17
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No it doesn't. It's a shoot to STOP. Sometimes the people getting shot die. Often they don't. If it genuinely was a shoot to KILL policy, most people who got shot would die as a result, and that's not the case.
Nope. It's the difference between shooting someone until they've stopped being a threat, and shooting until you're sure they're dead. So say, 2-3 rounds centre mass, then walk up and one to the head.. Which becomes an execution and murder/manslaughter.
It isn't. It's a likely effect, but the reasonable force law justifies it.

The policy is to stop someone, and once they are not a threat, there is no further intent to kill someone if they are still alive, which they can be.
You can wrap it up in any way you want but it is a shoot to kill outcome.

And it is going to backfire again.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:25
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Would have been a lot simpler if WY police had issued the armed police with bodycams so that much of the guesswork could be removed. But for some reason they decided not to.
They dont issue ANY armed police with cameras,nice try though.Here is maybe why they dont http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34573649
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:27
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You can wrap it up in any way you want but it is a shoot to kill outcome.

And it is going to backfire again.
What's the alternative when faced with armed criminals? As not all persons shot die, it clearly isn't a kill outcome everytime. The monster that killed Lee Rigby was shot, but is still with us.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:31
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Flashing lights where? At the front of the car where the headlights are? Because there were no lights on the car roof. It was an unmarked Mercedes. I'm just curious more than anything.
On unmarked cars they are usually behind the front grill. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uVu9gkO_aA4/maxresdefault.jpg
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:32
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Scumbag now dead.

Right, whats for dinner?.
Sounds like my house.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:33
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You can wrap it up in any way you want but it is a shoot to kill outcome.

And it is going to backfire again.
If armed police need to shoot, what do you suggest they do?

If anything is going to 'backfire', it is the rest of us fed up of gunned up drug dealers who pretend to be misunderstood minorities.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:42
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You can wrap it up in any way you want but it is a shoot to kill outcome.
Death of the person who is shot with firearms is a distinct possibility in the course of being neutralised, but that doesn't mean it is an edict, or guaranteed.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:49
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Some people here have mentioned the banners yesterday, that were held by folk in a demonstration against the police. It only seemd to be local at the moment, by people who've got the time to be standing out in the freezing cold.
If this was an honest and hard-working man...shot dead for no apparent reason, I'm sure a whole lot of people of every race/religion would be loudly protesting the heinous shooting. As it were, the lack of national vigils, is probably due to the character of the man. I feel sorry for his family, but judging from the interview his father gave, he seemed quite spoilt too. Not to mention the other dealings he had. A horrific way to go, but personally...for me, it's very hard to muster up sympathy.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:57
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Some people here have mentioned the banners yesterday, that were held by folk in a demonstration against the police. It only seemd to be local at the moment, by people who've got the time to be standing on the freezing cold.
If this was an honest and hard-working man...shot dead for no apparent reason, I'm sure a whole lot of people of every race/religion would be loudly protesting the heinous shooting. As it were, the lack of national vigils, is probably due to the character of the man. I feel sorry for his family, but judging from the interview his father gave, he seemed quite spoilt too. Not to mention the other dealings he had. A horrific way to go, but personally...for me, it's very hard to muster up sympathy.
These things seem to have a common theme. The dead person is always touted as "a loveable rogue, wouldn't harm a fly. Loving family man" gunned down by our merciless, fascist police force who could have simply given him a bullet in the knee to put a stop to his tomfoolery.

The reality is that this guy was likely a real piece of work, a major player, well known to the police with a criminal history, and was armed. No sympathy from me either.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:24
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On unmarked cars they are usually behind the front grill. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uVu9gkO_aA4/maxresdefault.jpg
And the windows, and very small ones attached to the sides.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:42
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You can wrap it up in any way you want but it is a shoot to kill outcome.

And it is going to backfire again.
You seem incapable of understanding the difference between intent and outcome.

Stopping an assailant is the intent, killing may be the outcome (or not) due to the methods that have to be used. I'm sure we'd all like a non-lethal alternative to firearms, but there isn't one with anything like as good a probability of preventing a criminal killing someone when they have a lethal weapon of their own.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:00
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Would have been a lot simpler if WY police had issued the armed police with bodycams so that much of the guesswork could be removed. But for some reason they decided not to.
Standard body cams for armed cops are useless as as soon as a gun is raised the view is obscured.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:25
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Apparently the road from the M62 has been closed again as hundreds have turned up for an impromptu vigil.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:35
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Some people here have mentioned the banners yesterday, that were held by folk in a demonstration against the police. It only seemd to be local at the moment, by people who've got the time to be standing out in the freezing cold.
If this was an honest and hard-working man...shot dead for no apparent reason, I'm sure a whole lot of people of every race/religion would be loudly protesting the heinous shooting. As it were, the lack of national vigils, is probably due to the character of the man. I feel sorry for his family, but judging from the interview his father gave, he seemed quite spoilt too. Not to mention the other dealings he had. A horrific way to go, but personally...for me, it's very hard to muster up sympathy.
Im sure there are plenty of assholes out there who wish this happened in the summer. Its far too cold to go looting at this time of year.
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:38
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What's the alternative when faced with armed criminals? As not all persons shot die, it clearly isn't a kill outcome everytime. The monster that killed Lee Rigby was shot, but is still with us.
Yep you shoot to solve the problem...I do remember my uncle in the 1980's who was of the rank to give permission for firearms use never liking it as he put it 'there could be no chance of a second opinion'
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Old 04-01-2017, 21:42
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They have "Stop the Killing" banners ... good grief, what country do they think they are living in.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:15
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Apparently the road from the M62 has been closed again as hundreds have turned up for an impromptu vigil.
I would love to know who these hundreds are , do they know this man , if this turns out to be a fully justified action will they still have issue with it so are they saying no criminal can be shot even if they are armed, and if it was John Smith with white skin would they be protesting ? or do they think armed officers just go out for target practice for anyone who registers higher than magnolia on the Dulux Colour chart

If it is BLM ( the UK arm) then they are a complete waste of space and an embarrassment to any racial awareness campaign.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:16
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These things seem to have a common theme. The dead person is always touted as "a loveable rogue, wouldn't harm a fly. Loving family man" gunned down by our merciless, fascist police force who could have simply given him a bullet in the knee to put a stop to his tomfoolery.

The reality is that this guy was likely a real piece of work, a major player, well known to the police with a criminal history, and was armed. No sympathy from me either.
Lets hope so.

The father has said that his son didn't have any convictions and the cars were part of the family business.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38509806
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