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I think they need to but out and can raise questions at a later date if they feel the need
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You wouldn't be saying that if it was your son that had been shot dead. Let's face it, your parents are going to love you even if you're a "wrong 'un" (one would hope). As for the family wanting to be left in peace and to have privacy, that isn't incompatible with the goal of fighting on their son's behalf. I think if anyone needs to butt out it certainly isn't the parents of the deceased.
The parents, it is odd to ask police to tell the media they would like to be left and to have their privacy respected and to then go out and tell the press the police you just asked to ask for privacy on your behalf have unlawfully killed your son ? They have just stuffed any chance of the privacy they asked for . |
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Yeah why did he have a gun in the car then? is the family business the drug business?
Don't know anymore about the gun, but it sounds like he wasn't the only one in the car. |
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You wouldn't be saying that if it was your son that had been shot dead. Let's face it, your parents are going to love you even if you're a "wrong 'un" (one would hope). As for the family wanting to be left in peace and to have privacy, that isn't incompatible with the goal of fighting on their son's behalf. I think if anyone needs to butt out it certainly isn't the parents of the deceased.
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On unmarked cars they are usually behind the front grill. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uVu9gkO_aA4/maxresdefault.jpg
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Since when did JustYorkshire a campaign group become the boys parents ?
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In real life people are killed needlessly by both criminals and police. If thats the problem, not shooting to kill is the solution. I don't see why people (not just directed at you) think its so strange to suggest it.
You would maybe take a different view if you were one of the people having to put their life on the line to deal with a seemingly ever-increasing band of armed criminals. It's far too easy to take your rosy view of how you'd like things to be. The people on the front line actually have to live with it. |
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...The parents, it is odd to ask police to tell the media they would like to be left and to have their privacy respected and to then go out and tell the press the police you just asked to ask for privacy on your behalf have unlawfully killed your son ? They have just stuffed any chance of the privacy they asked for .
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It could be the family is just a normal family and if the guy was into crime they knew nothing, many kids do fool unwitting parents , I mean the Dad said his Mum was rubbing Vicks into his chest the night before as he had a cold ( how old was he ? ) , maybe they knew nothing ( if he is actually guilty)
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All true but if he has no convictions and no outstanding charges ie not a known threat to others, then I would hope the intelligence they were acting on was good and the immediate threat at the time of the shooting was very clear.
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Not odd at all. They want privacy and they also want to issue statements to the press. The two are not incompatible.
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You would maybe take a different view if you were one of the people having to put their life on the line to deal with a seemingly ever-increasing band of armed criminals.
It's far too easy to take your rosy view of how you'd like things to be. The people on the front line actually have to live with it. Quote:
Since 2002/03 there has been a general decline in the recorded use of firearms. In 2002/03 there were just over 24,000 firearm offences. By 2014/15 there were just under 7,870 recorded offences – a decrease of just over 16,200 (67%) compared to 2002/03. The number of firearm offences recorded declined by just over 5% per annum between 2002/03 and 2014/15.
In 2002/03 there were just under 10,250 non-air firearm offences in England & Wales and accounted for around 43% of all firearm offences. During the mid-2000s there was a slight increase in the number of non-air firearm offences recorded. Non-air firearm offences were around 8% higher in 2005/06 compared to 2002/03. Since 2005/06 there has been a general decline in non-air firearm offences; in the year ending December 2015 the number of non-air firearm offences had decreased by 54% compared to 2005/06. The number of non-air firearm offences in the year ending December 2015 was around half the number recorded in 2002/03. |
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There is speculation that Yasser Yaqub was a drug dealer. If that is true, he wasn't the only drug dealer in Huddersfield and I also doubt he was the only drug dealer in Huddersfield who has a gun.
Why single him out? What is the point of killing one drug dealer if the other drug dealers in Huddersfield the police know about are free to go on dealing? Unfortunately, the police are not supermen with special powers that enable them to round up every single drug dealer at the same time. Hope this helps. |
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They want privacy from the media and then make statements to the media. That makes no sense.
I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.
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I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer. |
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You would maybe take a different view if you were one of the people having to put their life on the line to deal with a seemingly ever-increasing band of armed criminals.
It's far too easy to take your rosy view of how you'd like things to be. The people on the front line actually have to live with it. |
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You can't. That's the point. It's contradictory.
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How about, "Don't call us, we'll call you"?
That is not wanting privacy. |
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Why do you doubt the police so much?
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Tbh honest Jane, I question the reasons for anyones death at someone elses hands. Shouldn't we all?
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The Father was on local TV news tonight blabbering away "We want an explanation..he was a good son."
That is not wanting privacy. If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.
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Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'?
If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.You can surely see that to ask for privacy from the media one minute and then give interviews the next, is contradictory. That has nothing to do with wanting an explanation, which is perfectly natural. |
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No I don't think they would be any different, a needless death is a needless death - learn from them. My views are based on a variety of real life cases (not just the ones where police are born with the halos that elude the rest of us) and a number of them did not involve people armed and an immediate threat.
I think your view of 'a needless death' seems to be based on the premise that no criminals are a real threat to the police. |
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Not odd at all. They want privacy and they also want to issue statements to the press. The two are not incompatible.
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I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.