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Old 04-01-2017, 22:39
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I think they need to but out and can raise questions at a later date if they feel the need
You wouldn't be saying that if it was your son that had been shot dead. Let's face it, your parents are going to love you even if you're a "wrong 'un" (one would hope). As for the family wanting to be left in peace and to have privacy, that isn't incompatible with the goal of fighting on their son's behalf. I think if anyone needs to butt out it certainly isn't the parents of the deceased.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:41
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You wouldn't be saying that if it was your son that had been shot dead. Let's face it, your parents are going to love you even if you're a "wrong 'un" (one would hope). As for the family wanting to be left in peace and to have privacy, that isn't incompatible with the goal of fighting on their son's behalf. I think if anyone needs to butt out it certainly isn't the parents of the deceased.
Since when did JustYorkshire a campaign group become the boys parents ?

The parents, it is odd to ask police to tell the media they would like to be left and to have their privacy respected and to then go out and tell the press the police you just asked to ask for privacy on your behalf have unlawfully killed your son ? They have just stuffed any chance of the privacy they asked for .
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:42
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Yeah why did he have a gun in the car then? is the family business the drug business?
Its a motor business.

Don't know anymore about the gun, but it sounds like he wasn't the only one in the car.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:43
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You wouldn't be saying that if it was your son that had been shot dead. Let's face it, your parents are going to love you even if you're a "wrong 'un" (one would hope). As for the family wanting to be left in peace and to have privacy, that isn't incompatible with the goal of fighting on their son's behalf. I think if anyone needs to butt out it certainly isn't the parents of the deceased.
He was talking about the campaign for an investigation.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:44
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On unmarked cars they are usually behind the front grill. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uVu9gkO_aA4/maxresdefault.jpg
About four weeks ago I was driving not so very far away from where this happened and pulled in behind a line of parked cars to let oncoming traffic through. Once they were through, I noticed that the road a couple of hundred yards behind was lit up flashing blue so stayed still to let whatever vehicle they were attached to come by. A few seconds later, two cars came past at high speed. The second one was an "unmarked" police car, but it seemed to have lights everywhere and lit up the road (appropriately enough at that time) like a Christmas tree. There was no doubt as to what it was.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:45
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Since when did JustYorkshire a campaign group become the boys parents ?
I read it wrong, sorry. I thought you were saying that the family should butt out, since the first part of your post (which I neglected to quote) was disparaging of the family's completely understandable reaction to the killing.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:45
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In real life people are killed needlessly by both criminals and police. If thats the problem, not shooting to kill is the solution. I don't see why people (not just directed at you) think its so strange to suggest it.


You would maybe take a different view if you were one of the people having to put their life on the line to deal with a seemingly ever-increasing band of armed criminals.

It's far too easy to take your rosy view of how you'd like things to be. The people on the front line actually have to live with it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:47
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...The parents, it is odd to ask police to tell the media they would like to be left and to have their privacy respected and to then go out and tell the press the police you just asked to ask for privacy on your behalf have unlawfully killed your son ? They have just stuffed any chance of the privacy they asked for .
Not odd at all. They want privacy and they also want to issue statements to the press. The two are not incompatible.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:48
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It could be the family is just a normal family and if the guy was into crime they knew nothing, many kids do fool unwitting parents , I mean the Dad said his Mum was rubbing Vicks into his chest the night before as he had a cold ( how old was he ? ) , maybe they knew nothing ( if he is actually guilty)
All true but if he has no convictions and no outstanding charges ie not a known threat to others, then I would hope the intelligence they were acting on was good and the immediate threat at the time of the shooting was very clear.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:51
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All true but if he has no convictions and no outstanding charges ie not a known threat to others, then I would hope the intelligence they were acting on was good and the immediate threat at the time of the shooting was very clear.
Why do you doubt the police so much?
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:52
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Not odd at all. They want privacy and they also want to issue statements to the press. The two are not incompatible.
They want privacy from the media and then make statements to the media. That makes no sense.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:52
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You would maybe take a different view if you were one of the people having to put their life on the line to deal with a seemingly ever-increasing band of armed criminals.

It's far too easy to take your rosy view of how you'd like things to be. The people on the front line actually have to live with it.
Gun crimes in the UK have fallen continually for many years now.

Since 2002/03 there has been a general decline in the recorded use of firearms. In 2002/03 there were just over 24,000 firearm offences. By 2014/15 there were just under 7,870 recorded offences – a decrease of just over 16,200 (67%) compared to 2002/03. The number of firearm offences recorded declined by just over 5% per annum between 2002/03 and 2014/15.

In 2002/03 there were just under 10,250 non-air firearm offences in England & Wales and accounted for around 43% of all firearm offences. During the mid-2000s there was a slight increase in the number of non-air firearm offences recorded. Non-air firearm offences were around 8% higher in 2005/06 compared to 2002/03. Since 2005/06 there has been a general decline in non-air firearm offences; in the year ending December 2015 the number of non-air firearm offences had decreased by 54% compared to 2005/06.

The number of non-air firearm offences in the year ending December 2015 was around half the number recorded in 2002/03.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:52
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There is speculation that Yasser Yaqub was a drug dealer. If that is true, he wasn't the only drug dealer in Huddersfield and I also doubt he was the only drug dealer in Huddersfield who has a gun.

Why single him out? What is the point of killing one drug dealer if the other drug dealers in Huddersfield the police know about are free to go on dealing?



Unfortunately, the police are not supermen with special powers that enable them to round up every single drug dealer at the same time.

Hope this helps.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:54
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They want privacy from the media and then make statements to the media. That makes no sense.
I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:55
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I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.
You can't. That's the point. It's contradictory.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:56
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You would maybe take a different view if you were one of the people having to put their life on the line to deal with a seemingly ever-increasing band of armed criminals.

It's far too easy to take your rosy view of how you'd like things to be. The people on the front line actually have to live with it.
No I don't think they would be any different, a needless death is a needless death - learn from them. My views are based on a variety of real life cases (not just the ones where police are born with the halos that elude the rest of us) and a number of them did not involve people armed and an immediate threat.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:56
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You can't. That's the point. It's contradictory.
How about, "Don't call us, we'll call you"?
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:03
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How about, "Don't call us, we'll call you"?
The Father was on local TV news tonight blabbering away "We want an explanation..he was a good son."
That is not wanting privacy.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:03
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How about, "Don't call us, we'll call you"?
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:04
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Why do you doubt the police so much?
Tbh honest Jane, I question the reasons for anyones death at someone elses hands. Shouldn't we all?
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:07
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Tbh honest Jane, I question the reasons for anyones death at someone elses hands. Shouldn't we all?
Throughout this thread you have been negative about the police. I just wondered if there was a reason, personal experience or something. I'm not talking about any other types of death.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:08
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The Father was on local TV news tonight blabbering away "We want an explanation..he was a good son."
That is not wanting privacy.
Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'? If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:11
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Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'? If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.
It's nothing to do with a crusade.

You can surely see that to ask for privacy from the media one minute and then give interviews the next, is contradictory.

That has nothing to do with wanting an explanation, which is perfectly natural.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:12
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No I don't think they would be any different, a needless death is a needless death - learn from them. My views are based on a variety of real life cases (not just the ones where police are born with the halos that elude the rest of us) and a number of them did not involve people armed and an immediate threat.


I think your view of 'a needless death' seems to be based on the premise that no criminals are a real threat to the police.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:32
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Not odd at all. They want privacy and they also want to issue statements to the press. The two are not incompatible.
Bearing in mind they have had dealings with the press before they will know the level of intrusion, in the case of such a death if you ask for privacy and it is given to then go out and make accusations means you have then in the eyes of the media given up the right to that privacy and you will have them hounding you all the time. My point being they have now played in to the medias hands by breaking their own request for privacy.
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