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Old 04-01-2017, 23:11
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Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'? If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.
It's nothing to do with a crusade.

You can surely see that to ask for privacy from the media one minute and then give interviews the next, is contradictory.

That has nothing to do with wanting an explanation, which is perfectly natural.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:12
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No I don't think they would be any different, a needless death is a needless death - learn from them. My views are based on a variety of real life cases (not just the ones where police are born with the halos that elude the rest of us) and a number of them did not involve people armed and an immediate threat.


I think your view of 'a needless death' seems to be based on the premise that no criminals are a real threat to the police.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:32
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Not odd at all. They want privacy and they also want to issue statements to the press. The two are not incompatible.
Bearing in mind they have had dealings with the press before they will know the level of intrusion, in the case of such a death if you ask for privacy and it is given to then go out and make accusations means you have then in the eyes of the media given up the right to that privacy and you will have them hounding you all the time. My point being they have now played in to the medias hands by breaking their own request for privacy.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:38
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Bearing in mind they have had dealings with the press before they will know the level of intrusion, in the case of such a death if you ask for privacy and it is given to then go out and make accusations means you have then in the eyes of the media given up the right to that privacy and you will have them hounding you all the time. My point being they have now played in to the medias hands by breaking their own request for privacy.
In the eyes of the media? I don't think so. In the eyes of people on DS perhaps. Just because the father has spoken to the press it doesn't mean that the rest of the family want a media circus camped outside their front door.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:39
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I think your view of 'a needless death' seems to be based on the premise that no criminals are a real threat to the police.
I think you've imagined that because you haven't got it from my posts bit Im certainly not of the belief that all criminals are a real threat and thats based on the facts of other cases.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:42
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Throughout this thread you have been negative about the police. I just wondered if there was a reason, personal experience or something. I'm not talking about any other types of death.
Realistic, not negative.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:48
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Realistic, not negative.
I don't think it's realistic at all. You have a dig in almost every post. It's rather interesting.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:51
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It could be the family is just a normal family and if the guy was into crime they knew nothing, many kids do fool unwitting parents , I mean the Dad said his Mum was rubbing Vicks into his chest the night before as he had a cold ( how old was he ? ) , maybe they knew nothing ( if he is actually guilty)
More than 10 cctv cameras on the outside of house.

Son drives a £200,000 car plus a fleet of others.
I wonder what the son,s career was to afford such cars, if the family were unaware of his criminal earnings? Or is it possible to purchase them while receiving Jobseekers allowance of £75 per week?
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:51
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In the eyes of the media? I don't think so. In the eyes of people on DS perhaps. Just because the father has spoken to the press it doesn't mean that the rest of the family want a media circus camped outside their front door.
They may not want a media circus but we all know the media, the media seemed to be respecting the request of privacy now the family has by choice gone and spoken the media will see that as the end to the privacy. If they did want to retain privacy and make a statement then they should have used a solicitor. That's nothing to do with "people on DS" that's everything to do with our media


More than 10 cctv cameras on the outside of house.

Son drives a £200,000 car plus a fleet of others.
I wonder what the son,s career was to afford such cars, if the family were unaware of his criminal earnings? Or is it possible to purchase them while receiving Jobseekers allowance of £75 per week?
I am trying to be charitable until full facts are known . But it is possible in this life for a child to deceive their parents even if all the signs are there .
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:56
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I don't think it's realistic at all. You have a dig in almost every post. It's rather interesting.
I challenge where I feel appropriate. Despite some posters admiration they're not saints or above the law and in a number of cases in recent years they have earned the scrutiny.
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Old 04-01-2017, 23:58
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They may not want a media circus but we all know the media, the media seemed to be respecting the request of privacy now the family has by choice gone and spoken the media will see that as the end to the privacy. If they did want to retain privacy and make a statement then they should have used a solicitor. That's nothing to do with "people on DS" that's everything to do with our media.
A solicitor? I think you're being a little uncharitable. Hopefully the media will show more restraint than you're expecting them to.
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I challenge where I feel appropriate. Despite some posters admiration they're not saints or above the law and in a number of cases in recent years they have earned the scrutiny.
I haven't read a single post where someone has said the police are saints or above the law.

You don't have to explain your attitude though and I apologise for asking.
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A solicitor? I think you're being a little uncharitable. Hopefully the media will show more restraint than you're expecting them to.
Why is that uncharitable? Solicitors often act as spokesmen.

The media rarely, if ever, show restraint of any kind. It's a little naive to think otherwise.
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They may not want a media circus but we all know the media, the media seemed to be respecting the request of privacy now the family has by choice gone and spoken the media will see that as the end to the privacy. If they did want to retain privacy and make a statement then they should have used a solicitor. That's nothing to do with "people on DS" that's everything to do with our media




I am trying to be charitable until full facts are known . But it is possible in this life for a child to deceive their parents even if all the signs are there .
I have just noticed that the father is in the business of selling cars...
The news also said he lived in a £130,000 house he owned.

Seems the cars are worth far more than the family house.
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Old Yesterday, 00:08
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Another violent drug dealing piece of filth 'gangsta' like Duggan has been taken out.

Good.

Give that copper a knighthood.
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Old Yesterday, 00:09
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A solicitor? I think you're being a little uncharitable. Hopefully the media will show more restraint that you're expecting them to.
Maybe you should check whether we are speaking of the same media, many families speak though their legal representatives or another spokesperson when they want privacy , and please our media and restraint ???? Do you remember De Menezes , The Sun before any statement from anyone , 1 Down three to go (or similar) and many more tacky stories .

Certain tabloids are already at it with interviews (that we did not get yesterday) with locals allegedly describing him as a "renowned drug lord and a major player in the heroin and cocaine dealing underworld" and "people of Huddersfield, West Yorks., would be scared to speak out because of the notoriety of Yassar and his associates" and "He was a heroin and crack dealer and was constantly ripping off Cannabis grows [Cannabis dealers] and was just a major playing in Huddersfield for drugs". and you think I should expect restraint.
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Old Yesterday, 00:13
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Why is that uncharitable? Solicitors often act as spokesmen.

The media rarely, if ever, show restraint of any kind. It's a little naive to think otherwise.
In my opinion it seems rather unsympathetic to expect the father of a man who has just been killed by the police to have to pay a solicitor to speak to the press, or else have his family's privacy invaded. Surely he can just make the same statement(s) himself, and still expect a little privacy?

I don't think it's particularly naïve for a grieving family to expect a modicum of privacy. Whether the press respect their wishes remains to be seen.
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Maybe you should check whether we are speaking of the same media, many families speak though their legal representatives or another spokesperson when they want privacy , and please our media and restraint ???? Do you remember De Menezes , The Sun before any statement from anyone , 1 Down three to go (or similar) and many more tacky stories .

Certain tabloids are already at it with interviews (that we did not get yesterday) with locals allegedly describing him as a "renowned drug lord and a major player in the heroin and cocaine dealing underworld" and "people of Huddersfield, West Yorks., would be scared to speak out because of the notoriety of Yassar and his associates" and "He was a heroin and crack dealer and was constantly ripping off Cannabis grows [Cannabis dealers] and was just a major playing in Huddersfield for drugs". and you think I should expect restraint.
The gutter press obviously live in the gutter, but having asked for privacy I expect some journalists will respect that.
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Old Yesterday, 00:51
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A vigil was held where he was killed, with banners that said "stop the killings". Didn't this man have a gun in his car at the time he was shot?
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Old Yesterday, 00:58
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Originally Posted by LauraLS;85056808[B
]A vigil was held where he was killed[/b], with banners that said "stop the killings". Didn't this man have a gun in his car at the time he was shot?
I knew there would be.

It was as utterly predictable as the ebb and flow of the tides.

The bloke was violent criminal scum - live by the sword, die by the sword.

Tough s**t.
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A vigil was held where he was killed, with banners that said "stop the killings". Didn't this man have a gun in his car at the time he was shot?
God help the police if it is a replica, some people expect the police to be able to tell a replica from the real thing . As it is many expect them not to harm a person running amok with a gun or machete who is a threat to others.

Apparently he himself was shot at with a gun in 2015

http://britishasiansuk.com/yassar-ya...unmen-in-2015/
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Old Yesterday, 01:25
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A vigil was held where he was killed, with banners that said "stop the killings". Didn't this man have a gun in his car at the time he was shot?
Because it's the 21st Century. Where everyone has rights, but nobody takes responsibility.

It's far easier on their delicate souls to blame somebody else, or make it a race issue, than accept how the alleged criminality of this individual bought him a one-way ticket to becoming worm food.
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Old Yesterday, 01:32
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Because it's the 21st Century. Where everyone has rights, but nobody takes responsibility.

It's far easier on their delicate souls to blame somebody else, or make it a race issue, than accept how the alleged criminality of this individual bought him a one-way ticket to becoming worm food.
Beautifully put.

Now there is one less scumbag in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo
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Old Yesterday, 07:03
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In my opinion it seems rather unsympathetic to expect the father of a man who has just been killed by the police to have to pay a solicitor to speak to the press, or else have his family's privacy invaded. Surely he can just make the same statement(s) himself, and still expect a little privacy?

I don't think it's particularly naïve for a grieving family to expect a modicum of privacy. Whether the press respect their wishes remains to be seen.
I don't think it's unsympathetic at all. It's quite normal to have a spokesperson. You still can't see the contradiction in giving interviews while asking to be left alone. Never mind.

That's not what I said. I said it's naive to expect the press to show restraint.
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Old Yesterday, 09:41
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I have just noticed that the father is in the business of selling cars...
The news also said he lived in a £130,000 house he owned.

Seems the cars are worth far more than the family house.
I don't think there's anything unusual in a family having a home that's worth less than the assets of their business.

Everyone I've ever known who's been in the motor trade have driven around in whatever's the nicest car in stock.
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