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#351 |
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If they found a gun in the car, it would seem the intelligence was good. Convictions are not a measure of whether someone is a threat or not. Plenty of dangerous people are out there without convictions. The more dangerous some are, the less chance of anyone giving evidence against them.
The only issue here is whether there was a threat at the time, and we wont know that until the evidence is presented at court. From the articles I've seen its not very clear but do we know if there was an actual car chase or was the boxing in of the vehicle a surprise move by unmarked police cars? |
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Surrounded by armed police officers pointing guns at him and his response is going for a gun. Not exactly clever is it.
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Surrounded by armed police officers pointing guns at him and his response is going for a gun. Not exactly clever is it.
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The problem is without convictions then he is still innocent despite the hearsay.
From the articles I've seen its not very clear but do we know if there was an actual car chase or was the boxing in of the vehicle a surprise move by unmarked police cars? What matters is if he was a threat (or reasonably perceived to be a threat) to life at the time he was shot, and nothing else. If he was, its a justifiable shooting. If he wasn't it isn't. |
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You can wrap it up in any way you want but it is a shoot to kill outcome.
And it is going to backfire again. The difference is mostly reality vs fiction, so Hollywood versions of shooting that are pretty much always unrealistic. Reality is people frequently survive being shot multiple times, and can remain a threat. So shoot to kill means keep shooting until you're sure the person is dead. Shoot to stop means until they're no longer a threat. Then in a planned operation, there were probably paramedics on hand to try to stabilise the suspect, or AFO's are usually trained paramedics as well to render first aid. |
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I challenge where I feel appropriate. Despite some posters admiration they're not saints or above the law and in a number of cases in recent years they have earned the scrutiny.
Bizarre. |
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Using the term "they" to refer to many other groups in society will at the very least be frowned upon. Oddly enough it's acceptable to refer to police officers this way, when discussing how individual officers may have acted. Police Officers come in all different shapes, sizes, colours and genders, with even more having varying ideologies, political influences, opinions, levels of intelligence, attitudes, tolerances etc. Yet because a small minority have earned scrutiny (and indeed they have), "they" have all done so.
Bizarre. |
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His background and previous criminality (or lack thereof), even the lead up to the event is all complete irrelevance.
What matters is if he was a threat (or reasonably perceived to be a threat) to life at the time he was shot, and nothing else. If he was, its a justifiable shooting. If he wasn't it isn't. |
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He had a gun.....that justified the shooting.
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He had a gun.....that justified the shooting.
I'm uncomfortable with police shooting people on the basis of suspicion or tip-offs that they might have a firearm. |
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#361 |
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Every officer from day one of training is told what they will have to go through if they fire their weapon, and I've never met any who wanted to shoot someone. It is a ridiculous notion.
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As the wife of an ex firearms officer I was told this and asked if I was happy with it before my husband was accepted to train as a firearms officer. Whether it's true today I don't know as this was back in the 90's
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Criminals who carry guns deserve to be shot. What excuse can there be for carrying one? Criminalsare bad enough without guns, with them they are just expendable.
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Did the police know that for sure though? Had they seen it? I don't think that is known yet.
I'm uncomfortable with police shooting people on the basis of suspicion or tip-offs that they might have a firearm. Don't know what applied in this case though but we'll find out in due course. |
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Parents were on Sky News today. Father said, he knew the police didn't like his son. "It was a planned assassination".
According to a Chris Bean who was known to Yasser Yaqub, he used drones carrying drugs into HMP Armley prison, selling them to prisoners at 10 times their street value. (The Telegraph) Stud badboy shot on M62 b police used fast cars to launder profits from his drugs empire. |
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Did the police know that for sure though? Had they seen it? I don't think that is known yet.
I'm uncomfortable with police shooting people on the basis of suspicion or tip-offs that they might have a firearm. There's no way on earth any human can be sure if someone poses a threat in the split second they have to decide whether or not to shoot. In many cases, even after decades of inquests, combing over witnesses statements, analysing CCTV frame by frame, etc, it's STILL not clear. Police act on genuine, reasonable belief of a threat. Unfortunately that does mean there will be mistakes, but the other options are either no armed police at all (as they can never be sure there is a threat) or only allowing the police to shoot after a suspect has so they can verify they are actually a threat. However that second option also has issues: Robert Dixon was killed after shooting at officers but it turned out he was firing blanks, so wasn't actually a real threat. |
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I love the local paper that is reporting a "spate of police shootings" then state 4 in the area since 1992, so 4 in 24 years ? I think they need to look up the definition of spate. http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...-shot-12399474 The police shooting on the M62 is the latest in a spate of police shootings in Huddersfield that have coincidentally all happened around this time of year Quote:
Police almost always shoot on suspicion.
There's no way on earth any human can be sure if someone poses a threat in the split second they have to decide whether or not to shoot. In many cases, even after decades of inquests, combing over witnesses statements, analysing CCTV frame by frame, etc, it's STILL not clear. Police act on genuine, reasonable belief of a threat. Unfortunately that does mean there will be mistakes, but the other options are either no armed police at all (as they can never be sure there is a threat) or only allowing the police to shoot after a suspect has so they can verify they are actually a threat. However that second option also has issues: Robert Dixon was killed after shooting at officers but it turned out he was firing blanks, so wasn't actually a real threat. |
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Parents were on Sky News today. Father said, he knew the police didn't like his son. "It was a planned assassination".
According to a Chris Bean who was known to Yasser Yaqub, he used drones carrying drugs into HMP Armley prison, selling them to prisoners at 10 times their street value. (The Telegraph) Stud badboy shot on M62 b police used fast cars to launder profits from his drugs empire. |
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Parents were on Sky News today. Father said, he knew the police didn't like his son. "It was a planned assassination".
According to a Chris Bean who was known to Yasser Yaqub, he used drones carrying drugs into HMP Armley prison, selling them to prisoners at 10 times their street value. (The Telegraph) Stud badboy shot on M62 b police used fast cars to launder profits from his drugs empire. |
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Oh please! You have brought up a wrong un, end of.
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Oh please! You have brought up a wrong un, end of.
Could you refresh our memory as to what the dead man has ever been convicted of |
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Could you refresh our memory as to what the dead man has ever been convicted of
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Could you refresh our memory as to what the dead man has ever been convicted of
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So now Black Lives Matter are apparently trying to use this to raise money on the back of hinting this was a racially motivated
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....olice-12408697 http://www.nigeriadailynews.news/new...d-justice.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ide-vigil.html Plea: The Black Lives Matter movement in Britain have used Yaqub's death to fundraise its activities in a Facebook post suggesting his death was racially motivated and Dad is going to bring a private prosecution of the officer who pulled the trigger Last night Mr Yaqub said he would pay to privately prosecute the officer that shot him dead Love the banners sating "this is a peace protest" people in balaclavas and attacks on police cars, yes very peaceful. |
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Jimmy Savile was never convicted. Just saying.
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