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Could you refresh our memory as to what the dead man has ever been convicted of
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So now Black Lives Matter are apparently trying to use this to raise money on the back of hinting this was a racially motivated
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....olice-12408697 http://www.nigeriadailynews.news/new...d-justice.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ide-vigil.html Plea: The Black Lives Matter movement in Britain have used Yaqub's death to fundraise its activities in a Facebook post suggesting his death was racially motivated and Dad is going to bring a private prosecution of the officer who pulled the trigger Last night Mr Yaqub said he would pay to privately prosecute the officer that shot him dead Love the banners sating "this is a peace protest" people in balaclavas and attacks on police cars, yes very peaceful. |
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Jimmy Savile was never convicted. Just saying.
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So now Black Lives Matter are apparently trying to use this to raise money on the back of hinting this was a racially motivated
No better way to make people ignore or laugh at your cause than trying to turn something into something it is not. Maybe we need another campaign group called something like It Doesn't Matter If You Are Black Or White, Get Stopped By The Police In Possession of an Illegal Firearm And Expect To Be Shot. Quote:
and Dad is going to bring a private prosecution of the officer who pulled the trigger
Last night Mr Yaqub said he would pay to privately prosecute the officer that shot him dead I think it goes Deny, Attack, Accept, Move on.... or something like that. |
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His mother is a terrible actress. Weeping and wailing for the cameras.
Must be a cultural thing. It's the sort of over the top spectacle you see in reports of funerals in Middle Eastern and Asian countries. |
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Wait, I thought he said previously his son had no convictions? Now it's 'oh he has convictions, but only for assault'. |
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Fools, that'll do wonders for their credibility and pubic support I'm sure...
No better way to make people ignore or laugh at your cause than trying to turn something into something it is not. Maybe we need another campaign group called something like It Doesn't Matter If You Are Black Or White, Get Stopped By The Police In Possession of an Illegal Firearm And Expect To Be Shot. Can someone remind me how this translates to clinical psychology? I think it goes Deny, Attack, Accept, Move on.... or something like that. DARVO: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender |
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That was the result of corruption and those who should have been protecting people looking the other way. That said even he wasn't sentenced to death.
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Nobody was sentenced to death, so it's a bit naughty to even attempt to casually throw that one into the ring.
![]() What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes? |
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Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'?
If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.His blabbering as seen on Mailonline today and other places no doubt is accusing Police of "assassinating" his Son and targeting him specifically to kill him. |
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What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes?
However a planned operation by firearms officers does not include a briefing where they sentence anyone to death or make a decision to kill the person in advance. Death may occur but it is not being sentenced to death, and maybe if a person did not get involved with criminal matters or carry a weapon they might not even be on the police radar. |
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What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes?
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Your right, capital punishment used to be determined after a trial.
What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes? |
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There is one description
DARVO: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender |
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Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'?
If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family. |
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The problem is without convictions then he is still innocent despite the hearsay.
From the articles I've seen its not very clear but do we know if there was an actual car chase or was the boxing in of the vehicle a surprise move by unmarked police cars? In this case, it matters not what his record is, but is all about the perceived threat at the time. If a gun was found in the car, the intelligence was obviously good, and the stop justified. The enquiry will decide whether the shooting was lawful. Cries of assassination in such cases, spurred on by organisations with a clear agenda help no one. |
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They didn't "die for their crimes" though, they died because they presented an immediate threat to life, real or perceived, to an armed police officer during a stop. How many times does this need explaining to you before it sinks in?
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There are plenty of dangerous people out there without convictions, and they are committing serious crime.
In this case, it matters not what his record is, but is all about the perceived threat at the time. If a gun was found in the car, the intelligence was obviously good, and the stop justified. The enquiry will decide whether the shooting was lawful. Cries of assassination in such cases, spurred on by organisations with a clear agenda help no one. |
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The intelligence may have been right but aren't there levels that grade it and other factors that are taken into consideration before operations are planned?
What happened after the stop is what will be presented in court (and that could be criminal or Coroners, depending on the result of the enquiry) |
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So now Black Lives Matter are apparently trying to use this to raise money on the back of hinting this was a racially motivated
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....olice-12408697 http://www.nigeriadailynews.news/new...d-justice.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ide-vigil.html Plea: The Black Lives Matter movement in Britain have used Yaqub's death to fundraise its activities in a Facebook post suggesting his death was racially motivated and Dad is going to bring a private prosecution of the officer who pulled the trigger Last night Mr Yaqub said he would pay to privately prosecute the officer that shot him dead Love the banners sating "this is a peace protest" people in balaclavas and attacks on police cars, yes very peaceful. |
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Of course, and in this case the appropriate response would be an armed stop, as carried out. A gun was found which tells us the intelligence was good.
What happened after the stop is what will be presented in court (and that could be criminal or Coroners, depending on the result of the enquiry) |
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Well I would hope it takes a little more than a tip off to assume they presented an immediate threat to life and unless you know something the rest of us don't then all the explaining is futile as its based on supposition rather than facts of the case.
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So if I anonymously rang the police and said my neighbour had a gun, what would happen?
Any information is graded, and looked as well as it can be, and that does include everything known or suspected about the person, and source. |
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If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.