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M62 Police Shooting
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jaycee331
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“So now Black Lives Matter are apparently trying to use this to raise money on the back of hinting this was a racially motivated”

Fools, that'll do wonders for their credibility and pubic support I'm sure...
No better way to make people ignore or laugh at your cause than trying to turn something into something it is not.

Maybe we need another campaign group called something like It Doesn't Matter If You Are Black Or White, Get Stopped By The Police In Possession of an Illegal Firearm And Expect To Be Shot.

Originally Posted by skp20040:
“and Dad is going to bring a private prosecution of the officer who pulled the trigger

Last night Mr Yaqub said he would pay to privately prosecute the officer that shot him dead ”

Can someone remind me how this translates to clinical psychology?
I think it goes Deny, Attack, Accept, Move on.... or something like that.
Malliday
05-01-2017
His mother is a terrible actress. Weeping and wailing for the cameras.

Must be a cultural thing. It's the sort of over the top spectacle you see in reports of funerals in Middle Eastern and Asian countries.
lovedoctor1978
05-01-2017
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...yaqub-12410637

Delusional. His daughters pretty hot though.
spkx
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by lovedoctor1978:
“http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...yaqub-12410637

Delusional. His daughters pretty hot though.”


Wait, I thought he said previously his son had no convictions? Now it's 'oh he has convictions, but only for assault'.
skp20040
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by jaycee331:
“Fools, that'll do wonders for their credibility and pubic support I'm sure...
No better way to make people ignore or laugh at your cause than trying to turn something into something it is not.

Maybe we need another campaign group called something like It Doesn't Matter If You Are Black Or White, Get Stopped By The Police In Possession of an Illegal Firearm And Expect To Be Shot.



Can someone remind me how this translates to clinical psychology?
I think it goes Deny, Attack, Accept, Move on.... or something like that.”

There is one description

DARVO: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender
eggchen
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“That was the result of corruption and those who should have been protecting people looking the other way. That said even he wasn't sentenced to death.”

Nobody was sentenced to death, so it's a bit naughty to even attempt to casually throw that one into the ring.
EvieJ
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“Nobody was sentenced to death, so it's a bit naughty to even attempt to casually throw that one into the ring. ”

Your right, capital punishment used to be determined after a trial.

What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes?
egghead1
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'? If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.”

So you telling me he didnt know his son was a drug dealing gangster with 10 CCTV cameras over the house previous police dealing s due to guns including one charge of attempted murder? Ridiculous IMO, so he cant be surprised at the outcome.
His blabbering as seen on Mailonline today and other places no doubt is accusing Police of "assassinating" his Son and targeting him specifically to kill him.
skp20040
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes?”

In a country that has the death penalty and a Judge declares it then it is a death sentence.

However a planned operation by firearms officers does not include a briefing where they sentence anyone to death or make a decision to kill the person in advance. Death may occur but it is not being sentenced to death, and maybe if a person did not get involved with criminal matters or carry a weapon they might not even be on the police radar.
TeeGee
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes?”

Hubris.
eggchen
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“Your right, capital punishment used to be determined after a trial.

What would you call it when someone dies for their supposed crimes?”

They didn't "die for their crimes" though, they died because they presented an immediate threat to life, real or perceived, to an armed police officer during a stop. How many times does this need explaining to you before it sinks in?
vinba
05-01-2017
He should have watched this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Oh well.. Never mind.
jaycee331
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“There is one description

DARVO: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender
”

Why thank you. Wow, that's a shoe that fits well.
skp20040
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Is it because his son was almost certainly a toe-rag that got what was coming to him that you're unwilling to try and understand that a father's love for his child might cause him to launch into a 'crusade'? If I were in his shoes I'd probably be doing the same. You don't just think, "Well, I'm sure the police knew what they were doing" and leave it at that. Wanting an explanation for your son's death is not incompatible with wanting privacy for the rest of your grieving family.”

Wanting an explanation is one thing, going out to the media you have asked to leave you alone demanding an investigation when you know one is in progress and stating that it was a pre-planned targeted assassination because they did not like your son and that you will be bringing a private prosecution against the person who shot your son before even waiting for any answers is not the way to handle it.
Deep Purple
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“The problem is without convictions then he is still innocent despite the hearsay.

From the articles I've seen its not very clear but do we know if there was an actual car chase or was the boxing in of the vehicle a surprise move by unmarked police cars?”

There are plenty of dangerous people out there without convictions, and they are committing serious crime.

In this case, it matters not what his record is, but is all about the perceived threat at the time.

If a gun was found in the car, the intelligence was obviously good, and the stop justified. The enquiry will decide whether the shooting was lawful.

Cries of assassination in such cases, spurred on by organisations with a clear agenda help no one.
EvieJ
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“They didn't "die for their crimes" though, they died because they presented an immediate threat to life, real or perceived, to an armed police officer during a stop. How many times does this need explaining to you before it sinks in?”

Well I would hope it takes a little more than a tip off to assume they presented an immediate threat to life and unless you know something the rest of us don't then all the explaining is futile as its based on supposition rather than facts of the case.
EvieJ
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“There are plenty of dangerous people out there without convictions, and they are committing serious crime.

In this case, it matters not what his record is, but is all about the perceived threat at the time.

If a gun was found in the car, the intelligence was obviously good, and the stop justified. The enquiry will decide whether the shooting was lawful.

Cries of assassination in such cases, spurred on by organisations with a clear agenda help no one.”

The intelligence may have been right but aren't there levels that grade it and other factors that are taken into consideration before operations are planned?
Deep Purple
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“The intelligence may have been right but aren't there levels that grade it and other factors that are taken into consideration before operations are planned?”

Of course, and in this case the appropriate response would be an armed stop, as carried out. A gun was found which tells us the intelligence was good.

What happened after the stop is what will be presented in court (and that could be criminal or Coroners, depending on the result of the enquiry)
Deep Purple
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“So now Black Lives Matter are apparently trying to use this to raise money on the back of hinting this was a racially motivated

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....olice-12408697

http://www.nigeriadailynews.news/new...d-justice.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ide-vigil.html

Plea: The Black Lives Matter movement in Britain have used Yaqub's death to fundraise its activities in a Facebook post suggesting his death was racially motivated

and Dad is going to bring a private prosecution of the officer who pulled the trigger

Last night Mr Yaqub said he would pay to privately prosecute the officer that shot him dead

Love the banners sating "this is a peace protest" people in balaclavas and attacks on police cars, yes very peaceful.”

This sad state of affairs is further evidence of certain groups attaching themselves to anything where they can cause trouble, and try and brainwash others into acting this way.
EvieJ
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Of course, and in this case the appropriate response would be an armed stop, as carried out. A gun was found which tells us the intelligence was good.

What happened after the stop is what will be presented in court (and that could be criminal or Coroners, depending on the result of the enquiry)”

So if I anonymously rang the police and said my neighbour had a gun, what would happen?
eggchen
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“Well I would hope it takes a little more than a tip off to assume they presented an immediate threat to life and unless you know something the rest of us don't then all the explaining is futile as its based on supposition rather than facts of the case.”

Their very presence wouldn't have been the immediate threat to life, but more likely something that occurred during the stop that caused the officer to fire. I think that is more likely than the notion that he was executed or assassinated "for his crimes"
Deep Purple
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“So if I anonymously rang the police and said my neighbour had a gun, what would happen?”

As you said, there are varying levels of intelligence. In this case, it was deemed good enough to stop the car, and it was right.

Any information is graded, and looked as well as it can be, and that does include everything known or suspected about the person, and source.
andy1231
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“They didn't "die for their crimes" though, they died because they presented an immediate threat to life, real or perceived, to an armed police officer during a stop. How many times does this need explaining to you before it sinks in?”

Your'e wasting your time with this one. He/she will never accept any argument except that the police are a bunch of trigger happy morons who enjoy shooting innocent criminals.
Maxatoria
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by EvieJ:
“So if I anonymously rang the police and said my neighbour had a gun, what would happen?”

These days it would probably be an armed siege, but i remember a uni lecturer telling be of someone getting stopped in the street with guns drawn just for carrying a large bench vice in same way as people carry a weapon in the 1990's, then a while back around here we had full firearms team day out when someone saw the top of a metal broom without its cap and thought it must be a firearm...I'd imagine the police assume the worst and hope for the best shall we say.

I'd imagine the advice from the police if the firearms team are interested in you just slowly get down and make sure you are easily able to be searched and cuffed and don't make any fast moves unless you fancy becoming Swiss cheese.
EvieJ
05-01-2017
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“Their very presence wouldn't have been the immediate threat to life, but more likely something that occurred during the stop that caused the officer to fire. I think that is more likely than the notion that he was executed or assassinated "for his crimes"”

Executed and assassinated are not words I have used but I'm sure you're right.

If not, and it was his presumed criminality led to the operation and he wasn't a serious threat when he was shot then effectively he died for those crimes.
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