He probably had that CCTV for his prized garden gnome collection.

Either his father is turning a blind eye to this lovable rogue of a son or he is a fool.

What was the privacy demand about? We should only know his warped version?
I notice they didn't dare ask him why his sweet innocent son had a gun in his car. Unless it's acceptable crime because he was such a "very very good loving man". No previous convictions...... well perhaps..... yes.
Absolutely, he should question why his son was shot but such blatant denial is ridiculously self defeating.
It explains a lot about his "very spoilt only son" and his own agenda, encouraged or not.

Andy, I think you are confusing 'doesn't cheer the death of a man and pretend the police never make mistakes' with someone who can think and speak for herself.

Perhaps you can find the posts where I have said anything like the above?

If you mean Kenneth Noye, he was a notorious "fence" and reputedly had loads of people after him because he was believed to be a grass with bent coppers in his pocket. His defence for stabbing the policeman was that he believed he was an underworld hitman come to harm him and that it was self-defence, and the jury believed it. Given his reputation, that was entirely credible.

He was infamous in SE London long before any of that happened.

As far as I'm aware no-one has said this on the thread.
You appear to have made up the idea that someone has and for some reason are unable to let it go.

Occupational hazard?

Hmmm. Would that be the case if the gun had been in the boot of the car, and couldn't be accessed by any of the occupants without them getting out and opening the boot?

That would have posed very little threat imo.

Still, we know very little yet, and will have to wait till the inquiry reports.

Bleeding heart brigade rolls on ,no surprise this author is Muslim some absolute nonsense claims.
http://5pillarsuk.com/2017/01/05/we-...-yasser-yaqub/

The fact a 28yo man needs vicks rubbing on his chest by his mummy says everything about the way he was treated by them. What was daddy doing while mummy was rubbing his chest, rubbing something else of his?

Armed siege, probably. That's what happened when someone I knew jumped over a friend's back wall while they were having a barbecue, holding a realistic-looking toy gun he'd found in the street, and shouting at them to get down or he'd shoot. They thought it was bloody hilarious until the police closed the road and gave them instructions about leaving the house with their hands in the air, lying down etc.

Needless to say, drink had been taken ...

Strange lady, she has no faith in police or media or the investigation so has already made up her mind , if she believes that what does she mean by the public have to pressure them for answers , if she doesn't believe the investigation then why will she believe the answers she wants under pressure ?

She also claims he was shot dead without any warning, the people that are claiming this do they have access to info no one else does ?

As for the media and character assassination, the police have refused to comment further on any crime/behaviour past or present and rightly so , the reporting is coming from information from people in the local area so if she has an issue then she should be speaking to them.

As for her other comment about police not being allowed to take a life even if he had a firearm, well what does she want everyone able to walk around armed but no response from anyone to them but to allow it or ask them nicely to put it down.

Even if no gun was found and he was holding a phone it'd probably still be a lawful killing.

As I said earlier, you only need reasonable, genuine belief to pull the trigger.

I think you've replied to wrong person Anne. The thread is littered with applause for the death of a man who hasn't been convicted of anything, not to mention the criticism of his family. 'Not letting go' is IMO offering a bit of balance, tut on a discussion forum of all places.

Do you (or anybody you know) drive around with a gun in the boot of their car ?
It wouldn't have posed an immediate threat, but it would show that the suspicions of the police were justified. In this case we don't know enough about the behaviour of Yaqub when stopped to judge whether they considered he posed a threat.

What I don't understand is the sympathy there appears to be for this low-life. But I guess if some people were prepared to make a hero out of vile piece of vermin like Raoul Moat, nothing should surprise me.

You really don't understand the difference in sympathy and social justice?

I got as far as her mentioning Mark Duggan and couldn't be arsed to read any more inane drivel. Learning something about law and what has actually been said and by whom in the media would have helped.
So, regardless of truth the police are guilty and she's qualified to find Yaqub innocent. Mission accomplished, more incendiary lies out there for the ill informed and prejudiced to believe.

I haven't replied to the wrong person Evie and I emphasised the point I was replying to,
pretend the police never make mistakes

Yes you were, very specific. Partial post, ignoring the point I was responding to,

He/she will never accept any argument except that the police are a bunch of trigger happy morons who enjoy shooting innocent criminals

but hey what more could I hope for?

I don't believe an individual is strange simply because they have questions and feel based on past experience the police can't be trusted on incidents such as this. I don't think that's strange as such. You may not agree with her point of view but I don't think she should be attacked for asking questions.


Well that's a curious question because in this particular photo:

http://i4.manchestereveningnews.co.u...s615/m62-2.jpg

The setup of the cars, the bullet holes and where the driver was shot would suggest the shots were fired from within the police car at the driver of the other car. In that scenario would it be possible for the police marksman to issue a warning or a clear request to drop the weapon? Consider that the engine may have still been running on the car the shot individual was in. And it wad dark outside due to the time. Also this would ask a question of would the view from inside the police car offer a definitive confirmation that the individual was armed and a clear threat to life?


Oh come on now. The media decide how they report these incidents. It's got nothing to do with local residents. The media pick the angle they want to report and they don't care about the consequences. It's trial by media.

The best example is the photo all of the media used of Mark Duggan after his shooting. The one that looked like he was stood looking menacing in his coat. The family complained that this photo had been intentionally cropped to remove the fact he was holding a heart memorial stone. It's little decisions like that which people have a problem with. The media know exactly what they're doing. It sells papers. Doesn't make it right or correct.


Well that goes to the argument of if people should be shot simply for being armed or should they only be shot if it's clear they're preparing to shoot upon police officers. I would hope it's the later scenario and I would hope the officer who opened fire in this incident had clear sight of a gun being pointed at the officers. But then we get into the question of did the man who was shot know the car ramming him off the road was a police car? We'll find out the details shortly I imagine.

I have just seen the end of a report on this on the local news.

basically the family have said that the worst thing he has done is assault and just because he knew people who do wrong he shouldn't be associated and accused of it by the police and that he hasn't been convicted of anything.

strange how the family and friends are making out he is some kind of angel and the neighbours are saying the opposite.

seriously why would he need a gun and ten cctv cameras on his house if he wasn't involved in 'wrong' like his associates.

I think you're showing misunderstanding of the term "social justice". Unless you are suggesting he was targeted because he was black or a Muslim ?
But that's clearly nonsense, he was targeted because of his known criminal activity. Even sensible members within the community don't deny that. The question still remains whether or not it was a lawful killing, and that is being investigated.

She's talking as if the shooting of the loveable innocent by police was a daily event in spite of the fact that it's a rare event. How desperate she is to stir up a furore of anti- police feeling. She might at least have waited until the facts are known - for all she knows this man could have been sitting there with a machine gun ready to fire although I doubt if it would make a difference to her views since she declares grandly that no one has the right to take a life etc etc
Personally, I'd rather not see any police, or innocent bystander, shot because the police hesitated.

The media do go to the gutter we know but the comments they are reporting are from local people some giving their names so this lady should take issue with the press and those people

I wouldn't say it is only indicative of the shot coming from inside the police car, having blocked him in the officer could have been at the front of the police car and shot into the window. Also was Yassar Yaqub driving ? (they mention his car) if so then they could not have shot from within the car as that would have meant the angle would mean the passenger was shot or the officer had to lean right out of the police car beyond waist level across the bonnet to shoot the driver. I would say it is more indicative of the officer being in front of the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxe4Y95GJIA

I have in the past. Carrying them in the passenger seat or glove compartment would have resulted in the loss of my FAC if I'd been stopped.

(I think now FAC's require a lockable container fixed to the vehicle for transport.)

Social justice is not purely about race but perhaps I am. Lets clarify, what sympathy were you referring to in your original post?