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Hmmm. Would that be the case if the gun had been in the boot of the car, and couldn't be accessed by any of the occupants without them getting out and opening the boot?
That would have posed very little threat imo. Still, we know very little yet, and will have to wait till the inquiry reports. we do know that the suspects had a gun though, which justified an armed response. |
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Also was Yassar Yaqub driving ? (they mention his car) if so then they could not have shot from within the car as that would have meant the angle would mean the passenger was shot or the officer had to lean right out of the police car beyond waist level across the bonnet to shoot the driver. I would say it is more indicative of the officer being in front of the car.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...83o1-large.jpg There is first aid equipment on the passenger side also. Although that may be because the other side was blocked in by the police car. We'll find out soon enough I'm sure. |
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I have in the past. Carrying them in the passenger seat or glove compartment would have resulted in the loss of my FAC if I'd been stopped.
(I think now FAC's require a lockable container fixed to the vehicle for transport.) |
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I would say it is more indicative of the officer being in front of the car.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.67...7i13312!8i6656 So any road block would have been concealed. |
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Yes you were, very specific. Partial post, ignoring the point I was responding to,
He/she will never accept any argument except that the police are a bunch of trigger happy morons who enjoy shooting innocent criminals but hey what more could I hope for? ![]() I'm not interested in your on-going dispute with another FM, I was responding to that particular false accusation in your post. |
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I dont think these people were FAC holders, carrying the gun for lawful purposes. I'm sure some will want to give them the benefit of the doubt on that though.
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Do you (or anybody you know) drive around with a gun in the boot of their car ?
When I first moved down from London, it freaked me out a bit, coming across armed men in woods etc, but I'm used to it now. I'd have a go myself, but my dismal performance at shooting clays has rather discouraged me. |
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I have in the past. Carrying them in the passenger seat or glove compartment would have resulted in the loss of my FAC if I'd been stopped.
(I think now FAC's require a lockable container fixed to the vehicle for transport.) |
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I know several people who shoot game, including deer, and they undoubtedly carry their (licensed and legal) shotguns in their cars from time to time. One also has a rifle licence, as he shoots deer.
When I first moved down from London, it freaked me out a bit, coming across armed men in woods etc, but I'm used to it now. I'd have a go myself, but my dismal performance at shooting clays has rather discouraged me. |
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I'm going to go with passenger and shots fired from car to car based on his photo:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...83o1-large.jpg There is first aid equipment on the passenger side also. Although that may be because the other side was blocked in by the police car. We'll find out soon enough I'm sure. Angle looks more like from the front, which would make more sense as it'd give the officer a better view of the driver, and the driver of the armed officer. |
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Social justice is not purely about race but perhaps I am. Lets clarify, what sympathy were you referring to in your original post?
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What is that supposed to mean?
I'm not interested in your on-going dispute with another FM, I was responding to that particular false accusation in your post. I think the partial quote you took exception to was a part of a perfectly reasonable response to the post I was replying to. |
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Police officers are allowed to get a BJ while their weapon is on the floor and keep their job so I think theres a certain amount of wiggle room if you have to push it.
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Perhaps they were Gamekeepers on their way to work when they were stopped and shot for no reason.
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Police officers are allowed to get a BJ while their weapon is on the floor..
(Plus ARV's usually have some way to secure firearms inside the vehicle) |
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Police officers are allowed to get a BJ while their weapon is on the floor and keep their job so I think theres a certain amount of wiggle room if you have to push it.
Wiggle, push, BJ is this police talk?
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You really don't understand the difference in sympathy and social justice?
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I'd suggest at that moment, the weapon was not on the floor and the officer may not have been in full control of it..
(Plus ARV's usually have some way to secure firearms inside the vehicle) |
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I think you've replied to wrong person Anne. The thread is littered with applause for the death of a man who hasn't been convicted of anything, not to mention the criticism of his family. 'Not letting go' is IMO offering a bit of balance, tut on a discussion forum of all places.If that offends you, tough. |
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Most DS'ers are glad to see the back of a major drug-dealer and all round local headcase/thug. Irrespective of what race or religion he was. Most of us see this operation as a legitimate killing of a gun-toting criminal.
Then again, it may also discourage people from following in his footsteps. Being a flash gangster and going around tooled up may impress some people, but also tends to draw attention.. Either from officials, or rivals.. And then innocent people end up risking being caught in the crossfire of turf wars. |
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Wiggle, push, BJ is this police talk?
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A man called Moshin Amin from Dewsbury has been charged with firearms offences and is due to appear in court tomorrow.
charges relate to a loaded semi automatic handgun capable of firing 9mm ammunition. charges are - charged with possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence , possession of a sound moderator and possession of ammunition. all in connection with the incident the other night the other two have been released on police bail pending further inquiries. so 4 of the 5 arrested now on bail |
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charges are - charged with possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence , possession of a sound moderator and possession of ammunition
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What's the alternative when faced with armed criminals? As not all persons shot die, it clearly isn't a kill outcome everytime. The monster that killed Lee Rigby was shot, but is still with us.
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If armed police need to shoot, what do you suggest they do?
If anything is going to 'backfire', it is the rest of us fed up of gunned up drug dealers who pretend to be misunderstood minorities. Quote:
You seem incapable of understanding the difference between intent and outcome.
I think I read somewhere, no body cams' and no CCTV. I accept this operation was intelligence led, but why that spot, that slip road to bring it to it's conclusion, why? To me it was a turkey shoot, a turkey shoot is an ambush, did a person have to die? |
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Most DS'ers are glad to see the back of a major drug-dealer and all round local headcase/thug. Irrespective of what race or religion he was. Most of us see this operation as a legitimate killing of a gun-toting criminal.
If that offends you, tough. |
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Wiggle, push, BJ is this police talk?