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Old Yesterday, 20:20
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TBH, I'd rather have seen him rot in jail having passed through the justice system. That way, guilt is more established and there's less speculation and (anti)social media commentary.. Not to mention making BLM look a bit foolish fundraising.

Then again, it may also discourage people from following in his footsteps. Being a flash gangster and going around tooled up may impress some people, but also tends to draw attention.. Either from officials, or rivals.. And then innocent people end up risking being caught in the crossfire of turf wars.
I agree. I would rather he'd been arrested. BUT if you are going to pull a gun, then the firearms unit cannot take any chances.
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Old Yesterday, 20:20
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Sky News reporting a man from Dewsbury has been charged with firearm offences in connection to this incident. Doesn't go into detail of what that means. I'm sure the deceased's Father will take it to mean it wasnt his gun and he was innocent, I fear for the community if that the latter becomes true.
I'm assuming this new guy was in the car.
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/...2-huddersfield
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Old Yesterday, 20:22
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So it seems, Sun under one arm, pitchforks highly raised in the other without establishing the the truth. And the fact you have even mentioned his race/religion suggests its more relevant to you than you care to admit.
Pathetic.
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Old Yesterday, 20:28
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TBH, I'd rather have seen him rot in jail having passed through the justice system. That way, guilt is more established and there's less speculation and (anti)social media commentary.. Not to mention making BLM look a bit foolish fundraising.

Then again, it may also discourage people from following in his footsteps. Being a flash gangster and going around tooled up may impress some people, but also tends to draw attention.. Either from officials, or rivals.. And then innocent people end up risking being caught in the crossfire of turf wars.
In an ideal world. It may have the opposite effect, has there been any research in America?
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Old Yesterday, 20:28
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But true
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Old Yesterday, 20:29
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More detail here http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...ssing-12413114

So loaded gun in vehicle no excuses not to be shot.
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Old Yesterday, 20:30
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Sky News reporting a man from Dewsbury has been charged with firearm offences in connection to this incident. Doesn't go into detail of what that means. I'm sure the deceased's Father will take it to mean it wasnt his gun and he was innocent, I fear for the community if that the latter becomes true.
I'm assuming this new guy was in the car.
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/...2-huddersfield
There was a shooting a few days earlier which may have been linked to this. Perhaps it was a different man entirely?
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Old Yesterday, 20:34
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Not for me personally. I dislike scum of all types.

And I mentioned his race/reiigion precisely because others are making it an issue, or haven't you noticed the BLM brigade are already out and protesting?.
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Old Yesterday, 20:37
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More detail here http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...ssing-12413114

So loaded gun in vehicle no excuses not to be shot.
So why wasn't this guy shot as well? By your logic he should have been killed as well.

However the police rules only allow the use of firearms if there is an immediate threat
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Old Yesterday, 20:38
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Commonly known as a "silencer"?
oh yeah, I just copied from the press release

There was a shooting a few days earlier which may have been linked to this. Perhaps it was a different man entirely?
it says that it was in connection with the operation the other night. he is also described as one of those held on bail following.
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Old Yesterday, 20:40
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There was a shooting a few days earlier which may have been linked to this. Perhaps it was a different man entirely?
Not related, arrests were made on NYE
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More detail here http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-...ssing-12413114

So loaded gun in vehicle no excuses not to be shot.
that's exactly what I typed in my post not more detail
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Old Yesterday, 20:40
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Not for me personally. I dislike scum of all types.

And I mentioned his race/reiigion precisely because others are making it an issue, or haven't you noticed the BLM brigade are already out and protesting?.
Yes, and it has little relevance for me. Which bothers you the most, the public reaction that someone has died or the fact that BLM are involved?
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Old Yesterday, 20:42
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Not related, arrests were made on NYE
No links at all? How many people carry guns round there?
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Old Yesterday, 20:45
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oh yeah, I just copied from the press release



it says that it was in connection with the operation the other night. he is also described as one of those held on bail following.
Right. Well if it was in the car and not on either of their person I suppose anyone in the car could be charged with possession.
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Old Yesterday, 20:49
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So why wasn't this guy shot as well? By your logic he should have been killed as well.

However the police rules only allow the use of firearms if there is an immediate threat
I dint say the guy charged was holding it just its his gun. Obviously there was a threat.AFAIK Yaqub was a passenger which would make more sense him holding the gun.
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Old Yesterday, 20:50
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Yes, and it has little relevance for me. Which bothers you the most, the public reaction that someone has died or the fact that BLM are involved?
Firstly, yes I find rather pathetic and untrue, your tiresome assertion that any of us who frankly don't care about this man or welcome one less scumbag in the UK are all just knuckle dragging idiots and probably a bit racist too. None of us here could care what colour or religion he is. Its the protestors, not us, who have stoked the race card issue.

To your question, I agree with most people, who don't care for this man and are relieved he was stopped before he could kill or injure a policeman. And that his criminal days of selling drugs and other criminality are over. I am sorry if it offends your liberal outlook, but some people just dont deserve any regret at their passing from the rest of us when they die. Some people are just scum, and the rest of us wont give an iota of loss when they go. Be it this man, or Ian Huntley. Or the thousands of other low-life scum. I couldn't care this man is dead. I weep no tears, but exhale a sigh of relief.

This man wanted to play gangsta, and pull a gun on armed police, then no sympathy if he was shot dead. None. Nada. Zilch. I only care the police and civilians didn't get hurt in the process.

And I dislike groups like BLM, as I believe there is a way to question things without rentamobs like them whipping up race issues where they don't exist and causing more racial division. Just as we don't need EDL rentamobs in regards to Muslim grooming issues.
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Old Yesterday, 20:54
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I dint say the guy charged was holding it just its his gun. Obviously there was a threat.AFAIK Yaqub was a passenger which would make more sense him holding the gun.
I assumed he was driving because of the shots.
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Old Yesterday, 21:09
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Firstly, yes I find rather pathetic and untrue, your tiresome assertion that any of us who frankly don't care about this man or welcome one less scumbag in the UK are all just knuckle dragging idiots and probably a bit racist too. None of us here could care what colour or religion he is. Its the protestors, not us, who have stoked the race card issue.

To your question, I agree with most people, who don't care for this man and are relieved he was stopped before he could kill or injure a policeman. And I dislike groups like BLM, as I believe there is a way to question things without rentamobs like them whipping up race issues where they don't exist and causing more racial division. Just as we don't need EDL rentamobs in regards to Muslim grooming issues.
You misunderstood me. I don't assert than anyone who doesn't care for this man are idiots, I myself don't care for this man. Some peoples way of expressing themselves I do find idiotic. If that offends you, tough.

Bfwiw, I find the use of the word scum amongst others just about as useful as you find rentamobs. You're just on a different side of the side of argument.
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Old Yesterday, 21:15
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Angle looks more like from the front, which would make more sense as it'd give the officer a better view of the driver, and the driver of the armed officer.
By front do you mean someone stood in the road in front of the stopped car? That would require someone to run around the police car first to get into position as the doors closest to the car were blocked. Possible I suppose but time consuming.

This photo is perhaps a clearer one: http://i2.examiner.co.uk/incoming/ar...S108324982.jpg

I still think side on shots.. perhaps from a slightly raised position. But we'll see. I'm certainly no ballistics expert.
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Old Yesterday, 21:17
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Firstly, yes I find rather pathetic and untrue, your tiresome assertion that any of us who frankly don't care about this man or welcome one less scumbag in the UK are all just knuckle dragging idiots and probably a bit racist too. None of us here could care what colour or religion he is. Its the protestors, not us, who have stoked the race card issue.

To your question, I agree with most people, who don't care for this man and are relieved he was stopped before he could kill or injure a policeman. And that his criminal days of selling drugs and other criminality are over. I am sorry if it offends your liberal outlook, but some people just dont deserve any regret at their passing from the rest of us when they die. Some people are just scum, and the rest of us wont give an iota of loss when they go. Be it this man, or Ian Huntley. Or the thousands of other low-life scum. I couldn't care this man is dead, just as I was happy when Myra Hindley passed on without release, and I will be happy to read the death of Charlie Manson, should he be as ill as media reports suggest. In fact I will go further: I HOPE and was happy that people like Hindley and Manson die in some agony. Karmic justice imo.

This man wasn't of course on their level, but still, if he wanted to play gangsta, and pull a gun on armed police, then no sympathy if he was shot dead. None. Nada. Zilch. I only care the police and civilians didn't get hurt in the process.

And I dislike groups like BLM, as I believe there is a way to question things without rentamobs like them whipping up race issues where they don't exist and causing more racial division. Just as we don't need EDL rentamobs in regards to Muslim grooming issues.
You edited whilst I was replying.

I think there are very few people who care about some of the names you have mentioned, but as someone said up thread - we are left in no doubt as to their guilt. Not to mention the fact that despite their atrocities, they were fairly and justly dealt with and their crimes are about them - not overshadowed by other events. Its something we should remember with a source of pride.
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Old Yesterday, 21:26
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In your world maybe?

I grew up on an estate where I could pinpoint which houses you could buy drugs from.

Maybe some of us don't really give a shit about people like this even if you do.
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Old Yesterday, 21:32
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In your world maybe?

I grew up on an estate where I could pinpoint which houses you could buy drugs from.

Maybe some of us don't really give a shit about people like this even if you do.
Just out of interest, are you really a ninny?
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Old Yesterday, 21:47
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Of course, and in this case the appropriate response would be an armed stop, as carried out. A gun was found which tells us the intelligence was good.

What happened after the stop is what will be presented in court (and that could be criminal or Coroners, depending on the result of the enquiry)
One argument here is that the local MP stated that £2 million was spent by Yorkshire police for recording equipment & police had no recording device in their car, or on person at the time of this stop...
The same thing was asked in the Jermaine Baker case. If the operation was pre planned, why were they not using available recording equipment?

They are asking, why not?
This makes it difficult to know exactly what did happen at the time of the shooting.
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Old Yesterday, 21:52
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[quote=EvieJ;85065720]Just out of interest, are you really a ninny?[/QUOTE

Oh I get it , don't share my opinion so make a dig.

Must get quite dizzy on that pedestal of yours. You've had plenty of cheap shots at others for not agreeing with yours.
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