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Old Yesterday, 21:32
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In your world maybe?

I grew up on an estate where I could pinpoint which houses you could buy drugs from.

Maybe some of us don't really give a shit about people like this even if you do.
Just out of interest, are you really a ninny?
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Old Yesterday, 21:47
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Of course, and in this case the appropriate response would be an armed stop, as carried out. A gun was found which tells us the intelligence was good.

What happened after the stop is what will be presented in court (and that could be criminal or Coroners, depending on the result of the enquiry)
One argument here is that the local MP stated that £2 million was spent by Yorkshire police for recording equipment & police had no recording device in their car, or on person at the time of this stop...
The same thing was asked in the Jermaine Baker case. If the operation was pre planned, why were they not using available recording equipment?

They are asking, why not?
This makes it difficult to know exactly what did happen at the time of the shooting.
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Old Yesterday, 21:52
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[quote=EvieJ;85065720]Just out of interest, are you really a ninny?[/QUOTE

Oh I get it , don't share my opinion so make a dig.

Must get quite dizzy on that pedestal of yours. You've had plenty of cheap shots at others for not agreeing with yours.
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Old Yesterday, 21:59
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Such a shame he was not blown away years ago before he could ruin so many other people's lives.

The parents are typical - looks like a really nice house - wonder where they got all their money from?

What a mystery.

I would love it if the firearms officer was Asian - that would f*** up their pitiful transparent victim narrative wouldn't it?
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Old Yesterday, 22:01
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Oh I get it , don't share my opinion so make a dig.

Must get quite dizzy on that pedestal of yours. You've had plenty of cheap shots at others for not agreeing with yours.
Not at all, of the four posts you have made in this thread 3 have been digs at me.

What were you saying earlier about social justice?

ps, you messed up the quotes. #cutyourlosses
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Old Yesterday, 22:02
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Strange lady, she has no faith in police or media or the investigation so has already made up her mind , if she believes that what does she mean by the public have to pressure them for answers , if she doesn't believe the investigation then why will she believe the answers she wants under pressure ?

She also claims he was shot dead without any warning, the people that are claiming this do they have access to info no one else does ?

As for the media and character assassination, the police have refused to comment further on any crime/behaviour past or present and rightly so , the reporting is coming from information from people in the local area so if she has an issue then she should be speaking to them.

As for her other comment about police not being allowed to take a life even if he had a firearm, well what does she want everyone able to walk around armed but no response from anyone to them but to allow it or ask them nicely to put it down.
There were other people arrested at the scene too.
Those people will no doubt be either in custody or still in hospital.
They will have been entitled to visitors, phone calls. So info could also be coming from those who were actually there at the time, other than the police.
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Old Yesterday, 22:09
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Such a shame he was not blown away years ago before he could ruin so many other people's lives.

The parents are typical - looks like a really nice house - wonder where they got all their money from?

What a mystery.

I would love it if the firearms officer was Asian - that would f*** up their pitiful transparent victim narrative wouldn't it?
The dad has over 100 buy to lets apparently. Sure a paper tried to make out the guy who died laundered money by pretending to be a high value car dealer.
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Old Yesterday, 22:12
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Not at all, of the four posts you have made in this thread 3 have been digs at me.

What were you saying earlier about social justice?

ps, you messed up the quotes. #cutyourlosses
Funny how you appear to show so called empathy and tolerance towards this man but show none to others who don't follow your agenda.

#mixed messages.

Guess I shall follow suit with others who have called you out and you can chat to yourself happily!
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Old Yesterday, 22:14
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The dad has over 100 buy to lets apparently. Sure a paper tried to make out the guy who died laundered money by pretending to be a high value car dealer.
100?

Might be worth the police looking into this as well!
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Old Yesterday, 22:16
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Funny how you appear to show so called empathy and tolerance towards this man but show none to others who don't follow your agenda.

#mixed messages.

Guess I shall follow suit with others who have called you out and you can chat to yourself happily!
You really are aren't you?
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Old Yesterday, 22:17
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The dad has over 100 buy to lets apparently. Sure a paper tried to make out the guy who died laundered money by pretending to be a high value car dealer.
Obviously another stand out member of the 'community'.

FFS!
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Old Yesterday, 22:23
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The question still remains whether or not it was a lawful killing, and that is being investigated.
By who?
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Old Yesterday, 22:28
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I don't have an issue with this man dying, I'm questioning if it was necessary?

I think I read somewhere, no body cams' and no CCTV.

I accept this operation was intelligence led, but why that spot, that slip road to bring it to it's conclusion, why?

To me it was a turkey shoot, a turkey shoot is an ambush, did a person have to die?
The police had intelligence , possibly they knew they had left position A and were heading to positon B and that was the safest place to stop them with minimum risk to the public away from a built up area. Or they were following them got clarification then stopped them at the best moment for public safety or before they got to a built up[ area or a busier area of traffic.

The dad has over 100 buy to lets apparently. Sure a paper tried to make out the guy who died laundered money by pretending to be a high value car dealer.
The media were slightly restrained after the initial request for privacy but went to town after the father waived that, the media (and I am not saying I agree ) have actually printed about his alleged dealings with direct quotes from members of the public , if false then his father can take out a prosecution against those quoted as well as the one he says he is taking out for the armed officer.

The son seems to have had some kind of legal claims company of which his father was secretary which was struck off in 2012. The lets must all be in the fathers own name as there is no other company with the father or son named as Director or Secretary unless they have it in someone elses name
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Old Yesterday, 22:39
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I don't have an issue with this man dying, I'm questioning if it was necessary?

I think I read somewhere, no body cams' and no CCTV.

I accept this operation was intelligence led, but why that spot, that slip road to bring it to it's conclusion, why?

To me it was a turkey shoot, a turkey shoot is an ambush, did a person have to die?
It was an ambush, a well planned ambush. And rightly so. If a gun is being moved from one place to another what do you expect the police to do? Ask him to be a good boy and hand it in at the station?

These scenarious invariably go wrong when the criminal doesn't follow the instructions given once the vehicle has been surrounded. Some criminals avoid being shot by following instructions and some don't. That's a lifestyle choice.
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Old Yesterday, 22:39
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You really are aren't you?
Maybe you should read the terms and conditions of posting on DS. Seems to have passed you by.
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Old Yesterday, 22:44
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There was a shooting a few days earlier which may have been linked to this. Perhaps it was a different man entirely?
No it was the same incident according to this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-38522133
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Old Yesterday, 22:45
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I don't have an issue with this man dying, I'm questioning if it was necessary?

I think I read somewhere, no body cams' and no CCTV.

I accept this operation was intelligence led, but why that spot, that slip road to bring it to it's conclusion, why?

To me it was a turkey shoot, a turkey shoot is an ambush, did a person have to die?
Especially as the others are on bail, some not yet charged as must be lack of evidence to bring charges against them yet.
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Old Yesterday, 22:46
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The police had intelligence , possibly they knew they had left position A and were heading to positon B and that was the safest place to stop them with minimum risk to the public away from a built up area. Or they were following them got clarification then stopped them at the best moment for public safety or before they got to a built up[ area or a busier area of traffic.



The media were slightly restrained after the initial request for privacy but went to town after the father waived that, the media (and I am not saying I agree ) have actually printed about his alleged dealings with direct quotes from members of the public , if false then his father can take out a prosecution against those quoted as well as the one he says he is taking out for the armed officer.

The son seems to have had some kind of legal claims company of which his father was secretary which was struck off in 2012. The lets must all be in the fathers own name as there is no other company with the father or son named as Director or Secretary unless they have it in someone elses name
I did notice the reporting on it all keep switching between the guy being a complete bad boy and the police just been in the wrong.

The family and friends seem to think he is some kind of angel but seem to forget someone shot his house last year, he was aquitted from being involved in a drive by shooting and the police clearly had intelligence against him. Think that more and more info will come out on this in the coming days
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Old Yesterday, 22:46
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These scenarious invariably go wrong when the criminal doesn't follow the instructions given once the vehicle has been surrounded. Some criminals avoid being shot by following instructions and some don't. That's a lifestyle choice.
Well let's see because as discussed earlier.. it will be interesting to discover if this car was actually surrounded and if instructions were given. Because I still feel those bullet holes suggest a car to car shooting took place. I accept I could be totally wrong and maybe the police were stood in the road guns drawn shouting "Armed police drop the weapon". But from the images i'm not so sure.
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Old Yesterday, 22:54
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Firstly, yes I find rather pathetic and untrue, your tiresome assertion that any of us who frankly don't care about this man or welcome one less scumbag in the UK are all just knuckle dragging idiots and probably a bit racist too. None of us here could care what colour or religion he is. Its the protestors, not us, who have stoked the race card issue.

To your question, I agree with most people, who don't care for this man and are relieved he was stopped before he could kill or injure a policeman. And that his criminal days of selling drugs and other criminality are over. I am sorry if it offends your liberal outlook, but some people just dont deserve any regret at their passing from the rest of us when they die. Some people are just scum, and the rest of us wont give an iota of loss when they go. Be it this man, or Ian Huntley. Or the thousands of other low-life scum. I couldn't care this man is dead. I weep no tears, but exhale a sigh of relief.

This man wanted to play gangsta, and pull a gun on armed police, then no sympathy if he was shot dead. None. Nada. Zilch. I only care the police and civilians didn't get hurt in the process.

And I dislike groups like BLM, as I believe there is a way to question things without rentamobs like them whipping up race issues where they don't exist and causing more racial division. Just as we don't need EDL rentamobs in regards to Muslim grooming issues.
I can't believe you've been pulled up for using the word 'scum' in relation to a notorious drugs dealer. Even if we ignore any possible firearms charges for the moment, I for one applaud you for your restrained language.
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Old Yesterday, 22:55
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The lets must all be in the fathers own name as there is no other company with the father or son named as Director or Secretary unless they have it in someone elses name
Could just be held in their own names? No need for a limited company to be involved.
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Old Yesterday, 22:59
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I can't believe you've been pulled up for using the word 'scum' in relation to a notorious drugs dealer. Even if we ignore any possible firearms charges for the moment, I for one applaud you for your restrained language.
Well said - there are some people in this world who would say the police were unlawful and in the wrong for wearing the wrong boots during a major operation

Names is for tombstones Baby,Waste the scum
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Old Yesterday, 23:05
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that any of us who frankly don't care about this man or welcome one less scumbag in the UK are all just knuckle dragging idiots and probably a bit racist too.



This man wanted to play gangsta, and pull a gun on armed police.
He may have been born here, has it not occurred to you that this "scumbag" who may have been "black or Muslim" may have been British?

How do you know this person wanted "to play gangsta & pull a gun on armed police"?
This case hasn't even been bought to trial yet, so no one even knows the facts.
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Old Yesterday, 23:05
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Could just be held in their own names? No need for a limited company to be involved.
Could be but odd with so many properties and all the tax changes would mean they are worse off whereas under a company they can still claim full expenses, mortgage interest etc
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Old Yesterday, 23:07
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Well said - there are some people in this world who would say the police were unlawful and in the wrong for wearing the wrong boots during a major operation

Names is for tombstones Baby,Waste the scum

Thankfully we d not live in the Wild West
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